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Icestar63
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I saw Indiana Jones and I saw the clone wars trailer with it, it looks cool on the big screen. I hope I can see it in theaters.
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Oh yeah, the trailer for Clone Wars Movie does look pretty sweet. I am getting anxious now for August. It oughta be great. We SW fans can never get enough. (and I can never get enough of the boys) 
And FINALLY!!! some activity in here! 
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solojones
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Oh yeah, the RotS novelization is definitely the best SW book I've read. And by far the best novelization out there. It really is its own work of art and I think it's amazing. I want to read it again but I can't find my copy 
Ooooh man, the Clark/Lex dynamic in Smallville has gotten even more diabolical and painful and interesting over the last few years. It was so funny because watching this season my mom was just like, "Lex is going so Darth Vader." I was convinced he was going to start murdering children or something  Yeah I definitely see parallels.
I never read any of the Jedi Quest books. At that point I was writing my own fanfiction to fill in TPM-AOTC gaps and I just had no desire to read Jude Watson's version after reading some of the JA series. Arg. So much wasted interesting material to be had there!
Haven't seen the CW trailer in theatres yet. I am really looking forward to the movie, though. I think it'll be enjoyable, even though I'm not expecting it to be extremely emotionally impactful Seems a lot more focused on the action from what I've seen so far... I hope the series has more character focus. As I said, I can't really see Anakin having a padawan squeezed into that time period but the TV series' are like b-canon to me (with films as a and books as c).
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Alley_Skywalker
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Hey everyone! how's everyone been! Thank god school is over. Seriously, DRL hasn't left me much time for the boards...I think I've even started to have fandom withdrawl or something, lol.
Anyways, I think it's time we re-add a die-hard Anakin fan to the mix 
But then again, I'm definitely a canon purist. Outside of the films, I kind of just take and leave whatever books/games/etc that I do or don't like and fill in the rest in my mind.
Haha, that’s just like me. I love to annoy ppl q/ my canon pure-ism.
I really don't like Jude Watson. I mean, elements of some of her books are ok but overall I hate that they're what's considered canon by most. I think it's really terrible that these important and really juicy backgrounds of padawanship for Obi-Wan and Anakin both were left to some generic kids books. I just wish they could have been left to adults. There's definitely some fanfic I think is better than EU.
Agreed. It’s the bias in them too…agh, drives me crazy.
Any good suggestions, particularly of ones that might feature my favourite Obi-Wan/Anakin duo? I am planning on reading Labyrinth of Evil...
Oh you should definitely read LoE/ Personally, I think it’s the best charaterization wise AND pretty good plot wise too.
Oh yeah, the RotS novelization is definitely the best SW book I've read. And by far the best novelization out there. It really is its own work of art and I think it's amazing. I want to read it again but I can't find my copy
Meh, don’t like Stover.
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solojones
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I've just started reading LoE. It's all right so far. Still in the opening battle bit so not really into substantial elements of it yet. Although thusfar I think the set pieces are kind of so-so (giant beetles?!) but the characterizations seem good... I'll be interested to see how they develop through the novel
What precisely do you mean in terms of bias with Jude Watson? Do you mean the 'Obi-Wan is perfect' bias? Because trust me, some of us who are huge Obi-Wan fans hate that, too One of the reasons I love Obi-Wan is because he's *not* perfect. It would make for a boring character otherwise.
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Alley_Skywalker
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What precisely do you mean in terms of bias with Jude Watson? Do you mean the 'Obi-Wan is perfect' bias? Because trust me, some of us who are huge Obi-Wan fans hate that, too
Yea, I guess you could label the bias as "Obi-Wan is perfect" bias. It's a bit different w/ every "bias" author. With JW it's very plainly in her characterization. With Stover, it's not so much in the writing of what the character does or says (as he is, admittedly, a better writer) but rather in descriptions that revealed the author's own attitude. So with Stover it's more the feeling of how the author doesn't really even try to hide his "preferences" which is one thing when someone is writing original fiction and it's their own characters they're taking about and when someone is writing licensed fanfiction meant to be read by ALL the fans,
That's part of why I can't stand for EU as canon...it's too tainted by author interpretation.
Meh...ok, rant over.
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solojones
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Lol, understandable. I think Stover obviously has that bias and has freely said Obi-Wan is his favourite character. But it doesn't bother me with him because I don't think he portrays Obi-Wan as perfect and, like you said, he's a *much* better author than Watson
Really, though, I think it's inevitable with a secondary author writing in someone else's universe that every author's going to bring their own perception, preferences, and interpretation of the universe. Which yeah, is obviously going to be inconsistent and doesn't make for a coherent canon. And obviously means different books are going to naturally appeal to different people. There's not necessarily anything wrong with one author loving Obi-Wan, another Anakin, another Yoda... the problem is in trying to pretend all these viewpoints make for a coherent canon without much direction at all from any unifying force (no pun intended ).
I'm about 70 pages into LoE now. I'm really liking the characterizations thus far. The only thing is, I find often in EU novels that while they might get outward characterizations right, we don't often get a lot of chance to see a character's *internal* processes and feelings... which I suppose is one reason I really like the style of the RotS novelization.
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Obi Wan is not perfect. That is what makes me like him more, because he realizes his mistakes with Anakin and makes it up with Luke. Obi Wan is a very humble character, which is why he's always been a favorite of mine.
As for Jude Watson, I think her biggest flaw is that she wrote the books as a fangirl, instead of a writer. I think its bad to make a character too perfect, or too evil. It makes a character boring and one dimensional.
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^Funny that you mention that Obi is humble, and ITA with that, but I also think that is why Anakin is my favorite - because he's not so humble. While many of his traits are not attractive, they also make for good entertainment (and a very nice constrast between the two of them), at least for me. It's almost inevitable with him that he's going to fail no matter what (the way the movies are setup), sadly (and that's why I do not blame Obi-Wan at all), but I like watching the possiblities unfold about what he could have done differently in his life to have had a better outcome. Does that makes any sense?
Jude Watson made Obi-Wan too insecure as a teacher IMO, Anakin too bratty and evil from the get-go, and her OOCs took over the books. Ferus anyone? Gary-Stu to a T! And he was only there to make Anakin look even worse. Good grief. I much prefer Timonthy Zahn's version of Anakin at 14, no matter how brief it was.
Apparently a new novel is coming out for the Clone Wars movie on July 26! Can't wait. Hope it's thick!
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iLoveAnakin7 posted:
^Funny that you mention that Obi is humble, and ITA with that, but I also think that is why Anakin is my favorite - because he's not so humble. While many of his traits are not attractive, they also make for good entertainment (and a very nice constrast between the two of them), at least for me. It's almost inevitable with him that he's going to fail no matter what (the way the movies are setup), sadly (and that's why I do not blame Obi-Wan at all), but I like watching the possiblities unfold about what he could have done differently in his life to have had a better outcome. Does that makes any sense?
Oh, absolutely! Obi-Wan's still my favorite (and not perfect, as has been said), but the contrast between the two is definitely interesting viewing and makes for wonderful fodder for the imagination. Lots of heartache and possibilities. It's the love/hate dynamic between them that absolutely makes the movies, all six of them.
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solojones
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Absolutely. Glad I'm not alone in this. Especially glad to hear I'm not the only one who can't stand Jude Watson She definitely wrote as a fangirl, but honestly the good fics I've read by fans are way better (and more mature and more complex) than her books. I mean, part of the simplicity of characters is probably because they're kids books, but still. It's annoying.
I mean, yes, Anakin could probably be a little bratty as a teenager, but as a kid he was really sweet (kind of the point of starting where they did in TPM). He has issues, but there's no tragedy to the fall or realism to the character if he's just one-note. The point is his growing frustrations stem from clashes and stuff, not just something innate in him being a 'bad kid'. And naturally Obi-Wan has a number of reasons to be insecure as a teacher, especially in the beginning, but it doesn't mean that's *all* he is. Really, they're both such complex characters in complex times in a complex relationship, and downgrading it to some simplistic children's books is just sad and a waste.
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Really, they're both such complex characters in complex times in a complex relationship, and downgrading it to some simplistic children's books is just sad and a waste.
I agree completely. I wouldn't entirely blame the children's books, though. For example, I've heard that the kid's book The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader by Ryder Windham is pretty good for characterization and such, although I've never read it myself so I personally can't say how true that claim is.
And I also totally agree that neither Obi-Wan or Anakin was perfect and that's what makes their characters and relationship so interesting. In one of my favorite books, Planet Simpson, the author talks about Homer Simpson being such an appealing character *because* of his flaws. I think the same sort of thing applies to Obi-Wan and Anakin.
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IMO, Jude Watson is no better than DR from the post-ROTJ EU books. Both are poor writers who don't have a grasp on any of the characters at all. Watson is a fangirl who does not know how to give the characters any depth at all. DR just cares about doom and gloom, along with sticking it to the fans.
That's why I think there should be better writers for the EU books because right now, everything is a mess. DR has made Luke, Leia, and Han all unrecognizable.
Watson IMO, should not touch another Star Wars book, again.
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Well, I think I've made comments about Ms. Watson before, but I totally agree with all your assessments. The characterizations are just awful and uninsightful. No one is perfect, nor should they be made to be.
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I don't really read much of the Star wars books.
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