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A Fateful Bond: The Anakin/Obi-Wan Brotherhood Fan Thread V 2.0
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GS335
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7/1 5:23am
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Icestar63 posted:
I don't really read much of the Star wars books.
I think its a good thing because if you were to see the mess these writers have made the SW universe, it would make your blood boil.
That is why many fans simply don't bother with the EU.
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Icestar63
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GS335 posted:
Icestar63 posted:
I don't really read much of the Star wars books.
I think its a good thing because if you were to see the mess these writers have made the SW universe, it would make your blood boil.
That is why many fans simply don't bother with the EU.
I agree; I don't trust those books that much.
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Master_Starwalker
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Alley_Skywalker posted:
That's part of why I can't stand for EU as canon...it's too tainted by author interpretation.
I'm starting to get to that point. I still haven't read the last Legacy of the Force book and really I have no desire to because I've entered a malaise in terms of that series largely because of author interpretation(such as Luke being portrayed as indecisive and unable to really control his emotions despite the fact that at that point he's been a Jedi Master for decades.) I still like some EU, but at this point I've started to favor a selective continuity where I accept what works with the films and ignore the things that don't.
iLoveAnakin7 posted:
Jude Watson made Obi-Wan too insecure as a teacher IMO, Anakin too bratty and evil from the get-go, and her OOCs took over the books.
I think the part about Anakin coming off as too bratty and evil if the single biggest mistake most EU authors make in the Prequel period. Many of them treat Anakin as 'The man who would be Vader' rather than as the good man who was Luke's father. I thought that Stover did a good job with that in the RotS novelization as Anakin's ambition is clearly there as is 'the dragon'(ie: Vader) but he also is shown as one of the Republic's greatest heroes before his fall.
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solojones
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Exactly! It's not a fall if he's always a Dark Side jerk  For the problems the prequels have (though personally I adore them), I think at least one thing that can be clearly seen throughout is that Anakin is *not* just some brat destined to go evil. He's a good man who is being manipulated, falls on a lot of hard times, and is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Yes, it's *his* decisions ultimately that decide his fate, just as it will be his decision to turn back in RotJ. But at least you get an arc over the course of the films that you don't get at all from Watson.
The really sickening thing is that after JA, they *kept* giving Watson charge of these *really* important EU segments. I mean, seriously, the apprenticeships are basically the juciest stuff in the PT era and to give it to one of the worst EU writers (saying something  ) is a travesty. And I haven't read the intertrilogy stuff she was given, but I was reading through wookieepedia the other day and was amazed as it was all just "Ferus, Ferus, Ferus"... ! Oh sure, of all the Jedi to survive, it's not just Obi-Wan and Yoda... oh no, FERUS has to save the universe and watch over Leia?! WTH! I've never even read anything with him in it but I can just tell how freaking Gary Stu that is. As a writer it pisses me off.
..sorry, had to have that rant  Well personally I haven't read a ton of EU and have always been very picky about it, but just at the moment I'm finishing up college and am bored and stuff so I'm picking and choosing some stuff to read I actually think I will read JA again just because I'm curious to see how it reads now... the thing is, there are some *concepts* in the books that are ok, but overall it's poor execution and way too fangirlish. Honestly, I think we've all probably read fanfic that was better.
ATM RotS is on Spike in HD so I'm watching that 
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hi everyone. long time no talk
i agree with you solojones when you say that you're very picky about what EU you read. i've only read about 4 or 5 books, but i honestly liked them all because i made sure that those that had already read them, liked them too.
haven't read the Jedi Apprentice series...but i've heard mixed views on it...that's something that also catches my interest.
nice to see you all. hopefully i can post here more often now
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Icestar63
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Long time no see, anakin_luver!
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Alley_Skywalker
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I find often in EU novels that while they might get outward characterizations right, we don't often get a lot of chance to see a character's *internal* processes and feelings... which I suppose is one reason I really like the style of the RotS novelization.
The thing with me – and I think this effects why I like LoE and it’s “outward” characterization so much – is that once you start getting “internal” you start speculating. I mean, it’s one thing to copy how the characters act on screen and portray that but since the movies only give us ints of the characters internal thoughts and feelings through their actions and such we don’t really KNOW for sure what they are thinking and HOW they are thinking it. Once you get into a character’s head and hearts that’s where the bias and each author’s POV steps in. That’s what’s so nice about EU like LoE that doesn’t try to hit you in the face with what that particular author thinks the characters are thinking but rather creats in words another episode of the movies and lets the reader fill in the gaps for his/her self as he/she interprets the characters.
at least for me. It's almost inevitable with him that he's going to fail no matter what (the way the movies are setup), sadly (and that's why I do not blame Obi-Wan at all)
You know my POV on this, Dee
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Plot spoilers part 1, are up on the front page guys, if you want to check them out. I SCANNED them LOL.
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Plot spoilers part 1, are up on the front page guys, if you want to check them out
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I don't think I want to spoil this movie; I spoiled my self with episode 3.
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Crystal! Nice to see you. 
Congrats on your awards nom, Alley! 
I scanned Part 1 of the spoilers, too, Dee. I don't want to know too much, but I'm not going to be as strictly spoiler-free as I was for RotS. I went into RotS totally unspoiled...I would literally run from the room if a commercial came on TV.
Anyway, from what I glimpsed on the spoiler page and what I already knew, this is going to be an awesome movie!
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GS335
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Have one question for you guys?
Do you think ROTJ Luke would beat Rots Obi Wan? I say heck no, because Luke did not have nearly as much training as Obi Wan did, despite Luke's force potential being far greater than that of Obi Wan's. IMO, Obi Wan would defeat ROTJ Luke much easier than he did Rots Anakin, due to Luke's lack of training.
I got into an argument with a friend of mine over this, who happens to be a major Luke fan. He said that Luke beat vader, and I told him that vader was a crippled cyborg in the OT, who was not nearly as moble or as powerful in the force as he was before the suit. So him having far more training is void at that point.
I love Luke, as he's one of my favorites. But even I have to admit that Luke is probably the weakest Jedi we've seen in the movies, despite his major force potential and him being Anakin's son. Luke had limited training and what good is power without training. Obi Wan had over 30 years of training and Luke's father had about 10-12 years formal training, whereas Luke had what, a few months? The vader he faced in the OT was far weaker than he was before the suit, and no where near as powerful as Obi Was in Rots, or pre-suite Anakin was in Rots.
Nick Gillard has said that Luke is going to be the weakest Jedi (skill-wise) we've seen in the movies and after seeing the PT, I have to agree with him, as painful as it is.
I hate to admit it, but ROTJ Luke would not beat either Rots Obi Wan or Rots Anakin (pre-suit). Anakin and Obi Wan have far more Jedi training than Luke has and knows lightsaber moves Luke would not have learned yet, as of ROTJ. Obi Wan or Anakin (pre-suit) would easily disarm Luke, as Luke is inexperienced. Not to mention, Anakin in Rots is far more powerful than he was in ROTJ for obvious reasons. Both are fully trained in the Jedi Arts, whereas Luke has limited training.
What do you guys think?
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GS335, all I have to say is - You better watch out for MS (Master Starwalker)... 
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arbed posted:
GS335, all I have to say is - You better watch out for MS (Master Starwalker)...
I am just callling it as I see it. Even though I am a huge Luke fan, I have to admit that ROTJ Luke would not beat Rots Obi Wan at all.
If Obi Wan can beat Luke's father, who had as much (if not more) force potential than Luke did and who had far more Jedi training than Luke did (by the end of the OT), just imagine what Master Kenobi would do with ROTJ Luke?
I can't believe anyone in their right minds would believe that a half trained boy like Luke (how he was shown in the OT) would beat an Obi Wan Kenobi in his prime.
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I am not trying to be fanboy , but in terms of lightsaber skills alone I would say Obi-wan would win because he had full training with the saber but Luke did not; at least in the movies, Of course this is my opinion.
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