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UrbanJedi Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 2/13/02 6:29am Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	Well, well, well. This is my first post as an insider and let me tell you, it's pretty cool! I'm with m17, we can all keep secrets and in fact have a secret handshake even. Just kidding. Seriously, it's shaping up to be an incredible project, and I think for those not directly involved, you're going to be pleasantly surprised. And, who knows, maybe some of us will slip up and let some secrets loose. Everybody knows, Lucas' crew has definately let some stuff go. And we're not even getting paid! -----signature----- The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tryants. - Thomas Jefferson My Fic Flaspoint: http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28892000/p1/?0 I have a character who is half OC and half LFL...how mess
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Darth_FarDawg Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 2/13/02 10:04am Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	What kind of role will the former Empire play? -----signature----- EPISODE III: RISE OF "AN" EMPIRE! As opposed to "THE"!!!
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Mar17swgirl Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 2/13/02 12:46pm Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	Well, we still didn't go into the details about the political situation in the galaxy. The VS take place 35 years after ANH (or was it ROTJ? I can't remember right now). Anyways, we're sort of comparing it to the post-WW2 Europe. And since we're not following the EU, it will be quite different than what we know from the books and comics. -----signature----- opens door "Oh, I'm… oh…" "What is it, Lieutenant Sebastian?" "It's just the Rebels, sir. They're here." "My God, man! Do they want tea?" "No, I think they're after something more than that, sir. I don't know what it is, but they brought a flag."
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Jude Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/13/02 5:06pm Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	I'm also very excited about this project. I emailed you guys saying how much I'd like to get involved, though my interest is mostly with writing. I hope I might be able to help out in any way, though. Trying to figure out who this villain could be has been driving me nuts. I'm also guessing that the focus of this trilogy might be around that mysterious girl (Luke's daughter?) on the main VS page. Having a female as the central character (if that's how it'll turn out) is a great idea.
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Emperor_Dan Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 2/13/02 6:00pm Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	I'm going to guess Leia falls to the dark side. -----signature----- "If you will not be turned... you will be destroyed!" - Palpatine
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Darth_FarDawg Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 2/13/02 6:57pm Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	“We're sort of comparing it to the post-WW2 Europe.” The Postwar Era In the final days of war, advancing units of the United States and Soviet armies met near the German town of Torgau. This dramatic encounter symbolized the decline of European power and the division of the continent into United States and Soviet spheres of influence. Before long, the tension and suspicion engendered by the geographical proximity of the world's two superpowers took the form of Cold War, a test of resolve that was particularly nerve-racking at the dawn of the atomic age. East-West Divisions Having sustained staggering losses during the war, the USSR was determined to establish a buffer zone in Eastern Europe. Between 1945 and 1948, Soviet-sponsored dictators contrived to seize power in Europe's war-torn heartland. In Germany, the pivotal arena, the zones of Allied occupation began to harden into political entities; by 1949, West and East German governments had been organized, finalizing the division of the continent. Alarmed by the ruthless imposition of Communist governments in Eastern Europe and by the vulnerability of a Western Europe that lay in economic ruin, U.S. Secretary of State George C. Marshall proposed a far-reaching program of aid designed to speed European recovery (see European Recovery Program). Rejected by the Soviet-dominated governments to the East, the Marshall Plan made possible a miraculous economic recovery in the West. The creation of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in 1949 further evidenced Western Europe's dependence upon the United States. No longer masters of their own destiny, the European nations, particularly England and France, were forced to dismantle their far-flung empires. During the first two postwar decades a stunning process of decolonization occurred, which had been prepared in part by the rise of the national movements in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East in the period between the wars. This decline of empire reflected a European crisis that was as much spiritual as it was political. Shattering revelations concerning Nazi death camps and painful memories of collaboration were transmuted into a sense of general guilt. For many, the nihilistic existentialism of the French philosopher Jean Paul Sartre represented the last word concerning the human condition. Resistance to Soviet Control Nevertheless, Europe proved remarkably resilient. Almost from the first, the Soviet leaders learned that the fierce national pride that animates the peoples of Eastern Europe could not easily be suppressed. In 1948, they were unable to prevent Josip Broz Tito, a resistance fighter and loyal Communist, from embarking on a distinctly Yugoslav road (see Communist Parties). In 1953, the year of Stalin's death, the East Germans rioted, and in 1956 the Hungarians waged a heroic if ill-fated battle against their Soviet masters. In 1968, Soviet control was tested in Czechoslovakia, where Communist leader Alexander Dubek began to liberalize Czech life during a brief period that became known as the Prague Spring. Again, Soviet military force, along with troops from other Warsaw Pact countries, crushed the experiment, but voices of resistance and reform continued to be heard. The USSR itself faced nationalist pressures as the constituent republics began to repudiate central government. Resistance to U.S. Influence Far more welcome than the Russians, the Americans had addressed Europeans as partners in an Atlantic alliance. Some, however, perceived dangers in America's embrace. Chief among these proud Europeans was General Charles de Gaulle, who became president of France's Fifth Republic in 1958. Refusing to concede to the United States a permanent presence in Western Europe, de Gaulle ended military collaboration with NATO and began to develop France's own nuclear deterrent. Because of the “special relationship” Britain was then cultivating with the United States, the French president vetoed British membership in the European Economic Community, or EEC (Common Market). De Gaulle had a vision of a Europe extending from the Atlantic to the Urals and advocated a loose federation of independent states. This vision was opposed by those who believed that a more integral union was both necessary and possible. The first step in that direction had been taken in 1951, when France, West Germany, Italy, and the Low Countries agreed to establish the Common Coal and Steel Market. This was followed in 1957 by the formation of the EEC. Although a considerable economic success, the Common Market did not evolve into a Western European political union as rapidly as some of its founders had hoped. The Future of Europe In the early 1980s, when the Polish labor federation Solidarity called for a referendum on the continuation of Communist rule, the Polish government, with Soviet backing, declared martial law and jailed many of the anti-Communist protesters. By the late 1980s, however, economic conditions in Eastern Europe were deteriorating so rapidly that Communist governments could no longer hold back the tide of public protest. During 1989 and 1990, free elections installed multiparty governments in Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia. In late 1989 the dividing line between East and West, the Berlin Wall, was opened; the East German regime collapsed, and in October 1990 East Germany was absorbed by West Germany. In September 1991 the independence of the three Baltic republics—Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania—was recognized; the independence of the rest of the Soviet republics was recognized by the USSR before the end of 1991, signifying the collapse of the former USSR. The Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), formed in December 1991 by former Soviet republics, serves as a partial successor to the USSR. Political developments in Europe and the former USSR resulted in a major change in United States military presence on the Continent. By the end of 1995, the U.S. Army will have reduced its European installations from a total of 858 to 301; the number of U.S. Air Force installations will have decreased from 35 to 18, with a force equivalent to fewer than 3 fighter wings, compared to 9 during the Cold War. In Western Europe, the end of the Cold War raised hopes for full cooperation and even friendship between East and West. These prospects were clouded, however, by growing instability in the former Soviet republics and by the outbreak of war between Serbs and Croats in Croatia, and Serbs, Croats, and Bosnian Muslims in Bosnia and Herzegovina. By April 1992, four of the six constituent republics of Yugoslavia had declared their independence (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Macedonia), and the remaining two (Serbia and Montenegro) had united and declared themselves the new Yugoslavia. However, the international community refused to recognize the name. On January 1, 1993, Czechoslovakia dissolved into two separate republics, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Member nations of the European Community (now called the European Union), had originally set January 1, 1993, as the target date for economic integration. The Treaty on European Union, or Maastricht Treaty, designed to foster closer economic and political integration of the European Community, was finally ratified by all 12 EC members in 1993. The European Union has eliminated most internal trade barriers and passport checks for union citizens, and Frankfurt, Germany, has been chosen as the site of a new European Monetary Institute. But plans for adopting common defense policies and creating a single currency by the end of the 20th century have been delayed. In May 1994, Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Austria were endorsed for membership in the EU. Norway rejected EU membership in November. On January 1, 1995, Austria, Sweden, and Finland became full EU members. In 1993 Europe was plagued with economic recession and high unemployment. In addition, an influx of asylum seekers and refugees from eastern and southern Europe resulted in an escalation in nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiments, especially in reunified Germany. The Partnership for Peace plan, designed as a first step towards full NATO membership for the former Soviet republics, was instituted in 1994. The English Channel Tunnel, or Chunnel, linking Folkestone, England, and Calais, France, opened that year after more than five years of construction. High unemployment remained a major issue in Europe, even as many countries began to recover from recession. International efforts to negotiate peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina continued in 1995. -----signature----- EPISODE III: RISE OF "AN" EMPIRE! As opposed to "THE"!!!
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Sauron Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 2/13/02 10:29pm Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	Wow... a lot of detail there, FarDawg... but try not to read too much into that one statement. It's just a general idea of the setting, but remember that it's also the SW universe, so there are other factors involved as well. Try to think of it with this in mind: The goal of the Virtual Sequels is to make the third trilogy the way George Lucas would have done them. Of course, no one can get it exactly how Lucas would have, but that is our goal and what we are researching. There are a plethora of great ideas for a third trilogy out there, but we can't just use an idea that someone develops unless it seems like something Lucas would have done himself. So if you really want something to do, think about it that way... and maybe go back through some of Lucas' older, original ideas and things he may have discarded and see if you can get some clues about where he might have taken the third trilogy... Enjoy! -----signature----- Sauron Owner/Admin http://www.newimperium.org Chief Editor http://www.jedijournals.com
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Primetime_Jedi Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 2/14/02 6:18am Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion - Date Edited: 2/14/02 6:19am (1 edits total) Edited By: Primetime_Jedi
	Can you tell us is it someone good turned evil? If it's similar to the post WW2 era, then it could be that a former ally of the rebellion (or USA and Britain) could become their enemy, just like the Soviet Union. The Mon Calamari! They are red afterall...?:\| From what I've heard about George's original vision for 7-9, it was going to be about Luke's long lost sister who shows up, then there is the final showdown with the Emperor in Episode IX. Both of those possibilites seem to be ruled out now. So basically I'm clueless. -----signature----- Check out the Official Star Wars Screenplay Thread: http://boards.theforce.net/Fan_Fiction_Resource/b10304/19585921/?5 How to retain your identity after death: http://www.greatcom.org/laws/english/flash/
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Darth_FarDawg Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 2/14/02 6:47am Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	"try not to read too much into that one statement." I wasn’t trying too. I thought it would be an interesting read. I just wanted to give people an idea of what you were saying. -----signature----- EPISODE III: RISE OF "AN" EMPIRE! As opposed to "THE"!!!
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Mar17swgirl Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 2/14/02 10:48am Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	Well, being European (and more, being from Slovakia, a country where we had Communism for 40 years), I can say that Europe after the war was pretty messy. But I think that a good comparison would be between the post-Empire galaxy and the today's Slovakia (that's where I'm from). You see, we had 41 years of Communism (from 1948 till 1989), and it left a huge mark on our country (countries; Slovakia AND Czech Republic). Not only the economy was ruined, but it influenced the people a lot. There are still prejudices against the western world rooted deeply in our people - it will take at least one or two generations until it's completely "cleared". I can speak for my generation - born in the end of 70's and beginning of 80's - we're called "Generation X" or "The new Generation". We're sick of the old prejudices and old opinions. We're looking towards the new future, towards the new alliances (heck, the only people who're protesting against Slovakia joining the European Union and NATO are the Slovak National Party and old people who still haven't gotten over the Communist's fall in '89). New chances are opened to us - we can travel freely to wherever we want, if we work hard we can work anywhere we want.... Our parents didn't have that kind of freedom. It was impossible to travel to the western world before 1989 - if you had a family in USA, you were considered half-traitor already. Anything that came from west was bad, corrupt, threatening the state. TV was full of pro-Communistic and "anti-imperialistic" propaganda; the Communism was praised as the best creation of the mankind, the ideal state. Which was all bunch of bull***, because you couldn't have your own opinion if it was different from the official ideology, you couldn't travel freely, religion was prohibited (my grandfather, who was a high school teacher and incredible brain, got fired because he refused to give up the Catholic faith - teachers, doctors, and people in high positions couldn't possibly be Christians), etc, etc. Now, after 12 years, the situation is totally different. However, the consequences are still here, deeply rooted in the people. Lack of trust, unreliability, corruption, intolerance, and many other things were caused by those 40 years. It will take a lot to truly change it. Anyways, back to Star Wars. Can you tell us is it someone good turned evil?* Well.... from a certain point of view. I won't tell you more - maybe if Chris is willing to reveal more... I don't know.... -----signature----- opens door "Oh, I'm… oh…" "What is it, Lieutenant Sebastian?" "It's just the Rebels, sir. They're here." "My God, man! Do they want tea?" "No, I think they're after something more than that, sir. I don't know what it is, but they brought a flag."
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Darth_FarDawg Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 2/14/02 12:01pm Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	STAR WARS EPISODE VII THE DAWN OF EVIL The Empire has fallen, but the battle is not yet over. There are still a large number of Imperialists that will not be disbanded easily. And they have gained enough firepower to resist the Republic. Gen. Luke Skywalker, Jedi knight, and his Padawan student and niece Lucia Solo, along with his Astro-droid R2-D2, have been sent on a mission to sign a treaty with the leaders of the Planet Numodia, a major supplier of technology to the former Empire. If the mission is a success the Imperial forces will have no supply of weaponry and will eventually crumble and fall and the New Republic will grow to its former glory. But unbeknownst to the Jedi the Imperialists have been alerted to their intentions and have set into motion a plan to stop them… -----signature----- EPISODE III: RISE OF "AN" EMPIRE! As opposed to "THE"!!!
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UrbanJedi Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 2/14/02 12:08pm Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	Nice opening crawl, Dawg, but unfortuneately not even close. Luke gave up his commision in the military to be a Jedi. Therefore he couldn't be a General. That all happened long ago. Keep guessing though. You may get it eventually. -----signature----- The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tryants. - Thomas Jefferson My Fic Flaspoint: http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28892000/p1/?0 I have a character who is half OC and half LFL...how mess
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Darth_FarDawg Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 2/14/02 12:18pm Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion - Date Edited: 2/14/02 12:22pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_FarDawg
	UrbanJedi He is called General as a term of respect like Gen. Kenobi. That’s my take anyway. PS I wrote this awhile back so it really isn’t my take on the Virtual Sequel -----signature----- EPISODE III: RISE OF "AN" EMPIRE! As opposed to "THE"!!!
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Darth_FarDawg Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 2/14/02 12:40pm Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	This is a REALLY old story that I had changed after I heard about Dooku. I know it wouldn’t work but I liked it for myself. So I’m just putting it out. STAR WARS EPISODE VII THE QUEST FOR HOPE The Empire was thought to have been destroyed, but Soon after the victory at the battle of Endor a Star Destroyer loomed over the Ewok village and destroyed most of the Rebel troops. Three of the survivors were: a badly wounded Han Solo, Princes Leia Organa and her brother, Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker. Han was captured and taken to the Tabanda Gas Mines. Leia was also taken captive and held by the New Emperor, Count Dooku, Lord of the Sith. Luke managed to escape to Tatooine and live in hermitage. After many years Luke gave up all hope of ever rescuing his sister Leia and defeating the new Sith Empire. But unbeknownst to him the very hope he needed was living as a Bounty Hunter in the charge of Gardena the Hut. -----signature----- EPISODE III: RISE OF "AN" EMPIRE! As opposed to "THE"!!!
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Mar17swgirl Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 2/14/02 1:39pm Subject: RE: Virtual Sequel discussion
	Sorry to burst your bubble, but.... there won't be any Sith in the VS... Nice opening crawls, though. You may have got some things right... -----signature----- opens door "Oh, I'm… oh…" "What is it, Lieutenant Sebastian?" "It's just the Rebels, sir. They're here." "My God, man! Do they want tea?" "No, I think they're after something more than that, sir. I don't know what it is, but they brought a flag."
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