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Loopster
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8/18/05 5:53pm
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RE: Quentin Tarantino films (Was "Kill Bill and other Tarantino films")
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I'm not interested in discussing this with you.
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Armenian_Jedi
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Loopster posted:
I'm not interested in discussing this with you.
awww, someone got their feelings hurt. 
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*sighs*
Back in the peaceful world of movies, Tarantino is plannging a horror filmd, a war film, and a kung fu movie.......
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Loopster
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He's done a horror film and a martial arts film already, I'd be interested in his take on a war film.
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Id like to see him actually direct the horror film, Loop. I was pissed when the Friday the Thirteenth rumors were dashed.
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Loopster posted:
He's done a horror film and a martial arts film already, I'd be interested in his take on a war film.
I love QT's work. But I'm kinda skeptical on the war film still. Doesn't seem to suit his style.
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Loopster posted:
It's times like this I wish there were an ignore function on these boards.
As far as the violence aspect in Sin City goes, I haven't seen Kill Bill so I can't comment on it but Tarantino's other violent film Pulp Fiction has more context and purpose for the violence. I like it because the violence is there to help the story, it isn't the story.
Pulp Fiction shows that there's consequences for your actions, that violence plays at the mind of the perpetrator and that redemption is possible. Plus it's a lot of fun.
Reserviour Dogs does have some violent scenes as well, but there is also purpose to them and they really don't take up much film time.
Sin City wasn't fun - for me at least.
To each his own, everyone is entitled to their opinion. With Kill Bill, Quentin Tarantino really backed himself in a corner and I am not sure out sheer dumb luck or stupidity or it was intentional. I've yet to find any meaningful message in this film, Kill Bill doesn't contain the philosophy and traditions of the foreign cinema that inspired it. Other than, Karma follows a aimless viscious cycle of violence.
In afterword, Beatrix Potter is still wrapped in the coils of Karma. There remains unanswered comeuppance.
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Django211
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8/18/05 8:14pm
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I do think there is a message with Kill Bill and its the same as Pulp Fiction: redemption. Yes Beatrix is a killer but once she becomes a mother she decides she can no longer live the same life and must repent. However Tarantino's message gets lost since he is making a revenge fantasy film and his hero must kill everyone that did her wrong. I think Beatrix is similar to Jules but the message & film were better with Pulp.
I think now Tarantino really needs someone to help him focus his ideas. This should have been one film. There were many throwaway parts that didn't lead anywhere but I don't think Tarantino had the guts to cut them from the film. In part 1 his non-linear style hurts the film because we see O-Ren's name crossed off the list early in the film. So the climax lacks any suspense since we know it can only end one way. Speaking of the climax, why bother to hire one of the best gong-fu choreographers in the business & not have any gong-fu? Its a waste of Yuen Wo-Ping's talents to have him choreograph samurai style fights. If you're going to have a samurai sword scene then why put Beatrix in the Bruce Lee jumpsuit? Maybe it was Quentin's secret wish to see Lee fight with a samurai sword. If that is the case then it shows that Tarantino really didn't understand Bruce Lee. Lee was THE Chinese hero and the idea of him using a samurai sword is just wrong.
I really wish Tarantino would have continued like he did with Jackie Brown. To me the Kill Bill films seem like a step backwards. It would be nice to see him work with adaptations or another writer or to write films for someone else. I found these films to have too many ideas that went nowhere yet done with a lot of skill.
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Loopster
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Jackie Brown could have benefitted from a sharper knife in the editting room. It has scenes that are way too long. For example following Jackie Brown as she walks from the car park all the way through the shopping centre to the dress shop was overkill. It's a good film that could have been 15 to 20 minutes shorter and would have been faster paced and more to the point.
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Loopster posted:
Jackie Brown could have benefitted from a sharper knife in the editting room. It has scenes that are way too long. For example following Jackie Brown as she walks from the car park all the way through the shopping centre to the dress shop was overkill. It's a good film that could have been 15 to 20 minutes shorter and would have been faster paced and more to the point.
making it faster paced would have destroyed it.
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Django211
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8/18/05 9:49pm
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As for Sin City I agree with you Loopster. I didn't see the point to it. I just got bored with it. Now I've never read the comic but I hear its quite faithful to it but I'm judging it as a movie. It was as if Rodriguez wanted to make a film-noir but didn't really understand what makes them work. Unlike Tarantino, Rodriguez has yet to make anything great while dabbling in genre pics. I still say his best film is El Mariachi where the lapses in judgement & quality can be attributed to the budget & inexperience. Getting back to Sin City it felt like it was aimed at 14 yr olds who get off on seeing gruesome death. He should leave that kind of work to directors like Sam Raimi or Kenji Misume.
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Zombi_2_1979
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Sin City was a panel by panel reproduction of the comic books.
I disagree about the redemption message in Kill Bill, because it would be a confusing, muddled, and hypocritical one. Vernita Green had conformed to society and living comfortably raising a daughter with husband. Budd retired to the boonies and worked as a bouncer in a ***** bar. A killer with a heart, protecting his brother and found a means of exploiting Elle Driver's jealous vengeful schemes. And I am in the camp that he planted planted the straightrazor in the boot, an incentive to an guilt ridden conscientious mind.
Oren Ishii, one of the most merciless and yet still remained one of the most sympathic characters in the film, became a Yazuka overlord with Sofie.
Elle Driver, never explored what she was doing but she was pure evil but in the original script, there is a scene right before she dies when her and Beatrix discover reconciliation. She held a vendetta against Beatrix because of what she did to Bill.
Bill, nothing is said about what Bill is doing. Active, semi-retired, retired, who knows? He, too, is a sympathic character who dealt with one of the dumbest assassins put on the big screen. And frankly, he -alone- pulled the trigger afterall. The rest only gave her a whoopin of her life and additionally when you get right down to it, Beatrix killed her friends in the wedding chapel. Very irresponsible dumb blonde.
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Ogmios22188
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So, they're all sympathetic and they're all in the wrong. It shows the irony of it all.
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Django211
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I do think the message is confusing, muddled, and hypocritical (I was also only thinking of Beatrix's redemption not the other characters). Tarantino wants to have his cake & eat it too. Does Beatrix deserve her revenge? Was her coma suitable penance? Was the burial? Will she face punishment afterwards? I think the film wants you to think that Beatrix is redeemed but she doesn't truly give up the life the way Jules does. Jules puts killing behind him & lives while Vincent doesn't & dies. They were both spared & both chose different paths. Kill Bill has its roots in Shaw Brothers films, Spaghetti westerns & Yakuza films where a big theme was revenge. After getting their revenge they have nothing to live for, yet Beatrix has her daughter. In Jackie Brown it felt like Tarantino was allowing characters to develop on a more realistic level but this feels like a step backwards using cartoon type characters.
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Zombi_2_1979
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Ogmios22188 posted:
So, they're all sympathetic and they're all in the wrong. It shows the irony of it all.
They're all killers and they're sympathic. Yet, what makes the most repugnant stupid of the bunch more worthy of redemption than the rest. I am sure they all have the same amount blood on their hands of the exact same color.
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