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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 8/23/06 8:54pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	Rogue1-and-a-half posted: Maybe John Rhys Davies for Haddock? Not completely right, but who could be? That's quite a decent suggestion. Better than Sean Connery. And yes, Zaz, Asterix should definitely be on ze list, but there are many more of them and they vary in quality. There are some absolute gems, though. So what do you think about Robbie Coltrane as Haddock?
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GreatTarzan Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 8/23/06 9:08pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	Who? imdb's Oh. He would need to lean up a bit. Asterix has more humour than Tintin and more often. Often more of a "fun" read. -----signature----- Maybe God is the melody we all serenade.
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Kyptastic Title: Manager Emeritus SWD Co-Commish Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 8/23/06 9:22pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	I love both Asterix and Tintin. Asterix, with its time setting and location, has a lot more opportunity to poke fun at itself and its surrounds, and can sensationalise more, and Goscinny (RIP) and Uderzo exploited that well. Tintin is a lot more thought provoking but Herge (RIP) whilst maintaing that level of seriousness managed to incorporate a sense of humour, especially through the use of Haddock, Calculus and the Thompsons, as well as with Rastapopulous. -----signature----- "It is your choice," Saba said ."This one does not think it will interfere with our peace deal. We have plenty of Moffz. Blast two." Valar Morghulis
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darkmole Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/24/06 1:29am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	Asterix could be surprisingly thought-provoking. Some of Goscinny's later albums were very satirical and much more political than Herge ever dared to be, e.g. his brilliant send-up of cultural imperialism in The Mansions of the Gods, when the Romans pull down the forest around the Gaulish village in an effort to assimiliate the Gauls into Roman culture, or his superb satire on consumer capitalism in Obelix & Co, when the Romans corrupt the Gauls by buying menhirs and then, to make their money back, they flog them in Rome. The only problem is, no one knows what menhirs are for. Uderzo did a brilliant panel showing a menhir marketing presentation to an increasingly befuddled Caesar. In Asterix and Caesar's gift, G&U send up party politics. Asterix and the Laurel Wreath is a very sharp satire about domestic city life (in one of my favourite scenes, Asterix takes on the job of counsel for the prosecution in his own trial). I could go on. Since this is a Tintin thread, I must mention Asterix in Belgium because the Thompson twins have a cameo in it (Herge includes Asterix in the street parade in the Picaros). A couple of words of caution about Asterix though. Goscinny wrote the stories and Uderzo drew them. When Goscinny died, Uderzo carried on writing the books but the quality declined sharply and the most recent Asterix volumes have been pretty dire. For English readers, avoid the American translations and try to get hold of the British ones. And on no account go to see any of the films as they are all pretty poor. The essential Asterix albums are probably: Asterix and Cleopatra, Asterix in Britain, Asterix the Gladiator, Asterix the Legionary.
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GreatTarzan Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 8/24/06 7:32am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	Very interesting points darkmole. Back when I read them I wasn't thinking about those things. I've looked through the index and made use of the search function and found nothing. Perhaps an Asterix & Obelix thread is due? -----signature----- Maybe God is the melody we all serenade.
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darkmole Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/24/06 8:21am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin - Date Edited: 8/24/06 8:28am (2 edits total) Edited By: darkmole
	Why not? Good idea. There's a picture of the Thomson Twin's Asterix cameo on this page: http://www.asterix-obelix.nl/thebooks/album-24.htm This page gives some flavour of the satire in Obelix&Co. I especially enjoyed reading these again (a running gag in the book is that complicated business jargon has to be translated into pidgeon-English for anyone to understand it): Alea Jacta Est posted: * If you can't incease the efficiency of your productivity infrastructure the market will fall. = 'If you not able make big heap menhirs, me not able pay big heap Sesertii. You savvy?' (p15). * Production has increased, but you still have a delivery problem. You need to step up the efficiency of your production channels. = 'You not bring plenty menhirs all one time. You bring more menhirs quick quick!' (p20). * Thus I make no rash promises when I say that we should succeed in obtaining positive results , saleswise, at no very distant date. = 'Me think you able sell heap big heap menhirs plenty quick.' (p32). * I hear there's a grave finacial crisis in Rome though I don't know what caused it. Anyway, they've devalued the Sestertius.='Heap big menhir makers stony broke.' (p44).
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darkmole Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/24/06 9:24am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	Sorry, forgot the web link for the quote in my last post: http://www.gthomas.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/books/obelixandco.html
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 8/24/06 8:59pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin - Date Edited: 8/24/06 9:26pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zaz
	Okay, if you have never read any Asterix and wanted to try it, what should you read? A starting point.
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darth_boy Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 8/24/06 9:21pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	I think your being a bit harsh on the Uderzo ones, I have fond memories of Black Gold, Son, Magic Carpet... Then again I have not read any of these for half a decade minimum (bar the new ones, which are not all that great) -----signature----- I am now a mod favourite & allowed to post hateful messages This Post was Brought to you by the U Mad? Society of the JC (UM?SJC)...you lost darth_boy love you long time Dodi/Diana '08
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Kyptastic Title: Manager Emeritus SWD Co-Commish Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 8/24/06 9:41pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	For Asterix, the essentials (in my view) would be... Asterix the Gaul (1961) - The first one, introduces the main characters, but most of them change from this representation, especially Obelix and Vitalstatistix. Introduces the concept of the Druid Getafix's magic potion, but also shows that Asterix does not need to rely on it to beat the romans. Asterix and the Banquet (1965) - Asterix and Obelix head on a tour around France (the Tour de France) to pick up regional foods to serve at a banquet to win a bet with an evil Roman governor. First introduction of Dogmatix. Asterix and Cleopatra (1965) - One of the best in terms of storyline (IMO) in which Asterix, Obelix, Getafix and Dogmatix help Cleopatra win a bet with Caesar, showing that the Egyptians aren't weak. Probably the first to show Caesar in a humouress light. Asterix and the Cauldron (1969) - Asterix is banished from the village for losing another village's money. Obelix goes with him and their attempts to earn/gamble/steal the money back show that the heroes are not infallible. The Mansions of the Gods (1971) - It's already been said above about the intricasies of this edition. Obelix and Co. (1976) - A lesson on economics and capitalism, it always manages to maintain a sense of fun, especially watching the entire village get sucked in by the 'evils' of money and greed. Most of the collabarative works between Goscinny and Uderzo are good reads though The only one of the Uderzo only works I think is worth reading is Asterix and Son (1983) - It would have been the perfect finale for the series, with Caesar and the Village allied in the end... -----signature----- "It is your choice," Saba said ."This one does not think it will interfere with our peace deal. We have plenty of Moffz. Blast two." Valar Morghulis
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GreatTarzan Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 8/25/06 6:00am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	There's an Asterix thread now, so everything relating to that can jump over there. And so now in here Zaz can return to informing us what Tintin books he's been reading lately. -----signature----- Maybe God is the melody we all serenade.
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 8/25/06 9:34am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	Never fear; there's just one to go.
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GreatTarzan Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 8/26/06 8:23am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	Is that just "Red Rackham"? And is that the last one you haven't read? I didn't realise that if that is indeed the case.... -----signature----- Maybe God is the melody we all serenade.
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 9/5/06 8:06pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	No, the last one I hadn't read was "The Voyage of the Unicorn." It was fun, and had the felicity of the Captain describing someone as a 'pockmark.' Good stuff. But the best duology is the space one, IMO.
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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 9/6/06 9:59pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	It's the "Secret" of the Unicorn, not the "Voyage". I love the artwork in that one. I used to spend hours as a child trying to copy the beautifully detailed ships. I also read today that De Gaulle is reputed to have said, "My only international rival is Tintin".
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