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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 9/6/06 10:01pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	Did the French pirate remind you of anybody? I couldn't place it. It is indeed "Secret".
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LORDeron_MAULer Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 9/7/06 3:52pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	Hey I remember that show. It was rather strange sometmes. I did like many a Blistering Barnicle moment though. That guy was really funny. -----signature----- "Zhang Fei is here!" - Zhang Fei "Feel the Force" - John Crichton "Whenever i ask about the severed limbs thing, George just laughs and doesn't give me the real answer." I am a fan of cancelled many TV shows...and i will have my Vengence !!!!!!!!
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/10/06 8:45pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	I think Secret of the Unicorn is my favorite of the entire series. That whole bit with the Captain telling Tintin the story is just sidesplitting from start to finish. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 9/17/06 9:08pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	I feel like rereading the entire oeuvre, maybe in order this time.
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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 9/17/06 9:27pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	We should do a book-by-book discussion. I know Rogue has an extensive review of each one written up.
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GreatTarzan Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 9/18/06 5:28am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin - Date Edited: 9/18/06 5:29am (1 edits total) Edited By: GreatTarzan
	Of each and every book? Wow. (edit That was in response to Rogue's reviews) I would actually do that, if people were interested. I just remembered that I have a copy of every single Tintin book on my computer via pdf files. My brother once gave them to me. -----signature----- Maybe God is the melody we all serenade.
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Kyptastic Title: Manager Emeritus SWD Co-Commish Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 9/18/06 6:22am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	That would be good, a book by book discussion. -----signature----- "It is your choice," Saba said ."This one does not think it will interfere with our peace deal. We have plenty of Moffz. Blast two." Valar Morghulis
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/18/06 4:21pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	Reading them in order definitely adds something. Zaz asked me to post one up, so I'll do it. The first one (and, yes, they get longer): Tintin in the Land of the Soviets Very much of its time. Communism is represented as the great evil and, whether or not you find this valid, it's an interesting overstatement of facts. The version I read was in black and white and very sloppily drawn. The characters are far from the ones we could come to know and love. Of the cast, only Tintin and Snowy are here, though as far as their characterization, they are both spot on, Snowy speaking his mind and Tintin getting out scrapes every hair in place. It's really only notable for one reason: it's the one and only story in which we see Tintin doing his job: slaving over a newspaper article about his adventures to meet a deadline. On the whole, not worth your time, unless you're completist (and I know you are). The cowlick is here, but the trenchcoat isn't and that just spoils it for me. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Kyptastic Title: Manager Emeritus SWD Co-Commish Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 9/18/06 4:45pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin - Date Edited: 9/18/06 4:47pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Kyptastic
	Apart from Congo, I had read all the others prior to this. It was such a shock to see how different things were in the beginning. The basics are there, but it seems to be missing something. It lacks much of the human element, except for the voting at gunpoint scene and the grain store. It also misses some of the Herge cynicism of corporations and the west that becomes prevalent in later volumes. In terms of Tintin, it is not the best, but it's safe to say that Herge got better... -----signature----- "It is your choice," Saba said ."This one does not think it will interfere with our peace deal. We have plenty of Moffz. Blast two." Valar Morghulis
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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 9/18/06 7:06pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin
	I still haven't read this, but I have to point out that Tintin actually does work as a journalist in America as well, I think.
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JediTrilobite Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 9/18/06 8:58pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin - Tintin in the Land of the Soviets
	Haven't read this one either. -----signature----- Ever wonder what happened during the clone wars? Visit: http://www.theclonewarz.net My Blogs: http://www.jeditrilobite.com , http://tk3220.wordpress.com TK-3220, NEG VT Rep
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Shrapnel Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 9/19/06 9:53am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin - Tintin in the Land of the Soviets
	I still haven't read this, but I have to point out that Tintin actually does work as a journalist in America as well, I think. Tintin is presented as a journalist in "America", but it's only in "Soviets that we actually see him write an article. Ah "Soviets"! One of my favorites because without it, there would have been nothing after, just like ANH. Tintin birthday was January 10th 1929 with the beginning of "soviets" in "Le Petit Vingtième" newpaper (of course if we don't consider Totor, Tintin's bigger brother, to be a younger version of Tintin). The book was published in 1930, and wasn't reprinted until the late seventies, which made it almost impossible to find for decades. It was based mainly on one book, Moscou sans voiles (free translated as Moscow unveiled) written by a former Belgian ambassador in USSR, Josepf Douillet, published in 1928. The author does way more communiste bashing than Hergé does, but it's funny how some parts of the book were directly copied by Hergé. As of today, "Soviets" isn't chocking because well most of what we see about the country is already known. But back then, propraganda made the bolcheviks look like good guys. The goulag wasn't known, many Westerners really believed that the "Red Paradise" was an anwer. So Hergé had some critics about his views that were later found to be true. Little trivia: in it's original version, the story was ending with Tintin and Snowy crashing their car in the train going to Brussels. Hergé's boss, Abbey Wallez, tought it would be a nice publicity if they dressed a young boy as Tintin and make him really arrive at Brussels train station. So Hergé, his real Tintin and a white dog took a train at the last train station before Brussels. But unlike the empty station that Hergé was expecting, there was a huge crowd cheering for Tintin. Hergé never expected that his story would ever be published as a book, nor that Tintin would ever have any more adventures. But seeing this crowd was "when I realized that Tintin had really took off" (translation by me from a later interview). So when the book was published, he added 2 more pages where we see Tintin and Snowy prepare for their arrival and the crowd at the train station. Trivia 2: the book that can be bought today is missing a page (in the haunted house sequence) that was forgotten later during publishing. -----signature----- In confusion, there is opportunity
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 9/27/06 7:37pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin - Tintin in the Land of the Soviets
	It's the only hard-cover Tintin I've ever seen. Rogue posted: Very much of its time. Communism is represented as the great evil and, whether or not you find this valid, it's an interesting overstatement of facts. Read Robert Conquest. The overstatement is slight. Remember at this time, the intelligentsia loved the USSR and thoroughly believed in it. Herge's view was an unpopular one. Rogue posted: The version I read was in black and white and very sloppily drawn. The characters are far from the ones we could come to know and love. Of the cast, only Tintin and Snowy are here, though as far as their characterization, they are both spot on, Snowy speaking his mind and Tintin getting out scrapes every hair in place. I don't agree that the art is sloppy; it's just different, more 20's Art Deco. The panels are larger and much less detailed than later. Snowy's character is fully-formed at the start, but Tintin is much more bumptious and aggressive than he is later. Rogue posted: It's really only notable for one reason: it's the one and only story in which we see Tintin doing his job: slaving over a newspaper article about his adventures to meet a deadline. It's notable to show the evolution of Tintin, and of course, Herge. Herge has the terrific imagination from the start; what he doesn't have is the pacing and the plotting skills. He has the humour and the satire, too (I particularly enjoyed the commissar showing the fake beauties of Marxism to a group of tweedy, gormless English communists. Spot on, Herge.) Rogue posted: On the whole, not worth your time, unless you're completist (and I know you are). The cowlick is here, but the trenchcoat isn't and that just spoils it for me. Of great historical interest, IMO.
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/30/06 8:34pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin - Tintin in the Land of the Soviets
	Tintin in the Congo (1931) Again, negligible. The drawing is still crude, blah blah. There are a few notable things, namely a train crash that seems to echo a similar sequence in Tintin in America, Tintin teaching the African natives about “their country,” Belgium and a rather bizarre hunting sequence that has Tintin killing dozens of animals in various cruel, almost MacGuyverish ways. Really bizarre and that last bit especially feels very out of step with the tone that Herge would establish starting with his very next book. At this point there is almost none of the sympathy for native races that one would see in Tintin in America, the Inca duology and others. As in Soviets, the satire is almost nonexistent and I’m literally unsure if the bit about Belgium being the native’s country was done tongue in cheek or in earnest. Regardless, a disappointing effort. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Kyptastic Title: Manager Emeritus SWD Co-Commish Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 9/30/06 9:37pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin - Tintin in the Congo (1931)
	I only read Congo a month ago. You can tell it's an early effort. It seems to be a template Tintin story, yet Herge was unable/unwilling to insert his trademark satire or deep meanings into this one that later volumes have. -----signature----- "It is your choice," Saba said ."This one does not think it will interfere with our peace deal. We have plenty of Moffz. Blast two." Valar Morghulis
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