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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 10/25/06 12:48pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -Tintin in America (1932)
	I think the next one marks that spot, but Herge is getting better.
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Kyptastic Title: Manager Emeritus SWD Co-Commish Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 10/25/06 4:26pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -Tintin in America (1932)
	America always seemed a bit out of place th first few times I read it (not knowing the publishing order). Looking back, and now having read Soviets and Congo, it makes much more sense. Still, it's an enjoyable read. Could have used more of Capone though, but the scenes with the American Indians are fantastic. -----signature----- "It is your choice," Saba said ."This one does not think it will interfere with our peace deal. We have plenty of Moffz. Blast two." Valar Morghulis
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Shrapnel Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 10/26/06 12:27pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -Tintin in America (1932)
	Could have used more of Capone though Hergé said that it would have been hard for him to do so because since he was a real person, he could not have him arrested if he wasn't at that time, Capone could not die in this story...He felt limited with Capone, and that it why he introduced the other gangster, to have more liberty to make Tintin deal with him. At the beginning, Hergé wanted to have this story revolving only arround American Indians. But the daily making of his story (1932) went in a different way. Still, when it was first published in the US, the American editor wanted Hergé to remove all the Indians from it but Hergé said no. But he still changed the color of the black mommy and baby crying )who Tintin tought it was Snowy being tortured) because he didn't want critics to think that he meant that black babies cry like dogs. Anyways, Tintin in America is a critic of ruthless capitalism just like Soviet was a critic of communism. Hergé always tought that they both have their flaws. -----signature----- In confusion, there is opportunity
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 11/6/06 11:40am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -Tintin in America (1932)
	And he was right. Next is "The Cigars of the Pharaoh", a great title, which I will summarize when I get back.
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 11/6/06 2:13pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -The Cigars of the Pharaoh (1933)
	Well, my review file has mysteriously disappeared, so here's my best stab at Cigars of the Pharoahs. It's notable mostly because of the way it starts bringing continuity in; while the previous three have all been more or less stand alone stories, this one introduces several characters we'll see return: Olivera de Figuera (I love the panel of Tintin hauling away a boatload of utter crap while muttering, "good thing I kept my head around him or I'd have been saddled with all kinds of useless stuff"), Rastapopulous (introduced as an ally), and, most important of all, The Thom(p)sons! It's something of a theme that Boogie and I picked up on when going through these the first time that Tintin's allies are generally introduced as villains; it's true for the Thompsons and it's interesting to see them being as dimwitted as ever ("Those delay fuses can be tricky!") but also being a real danger to Tintin. And, of course, this is the first of the two parters, a real watershed moment. I think we're still working toward greatness; Herge's doing dry runs: The absent minded professor is a test of Calculus, the coffins adrift is a milk run for the Raft of the Medusa sequence in Red Sea Sharks. And of course, the whole things starts Tintin in his relationship with the Middle East; Herge took him all over, but most places Tintin never went back too (Russia, America, Congo, India), but the Middle East Tintin would return to again and again. It's a big step up, but . . . still not at the point of real greatness . . . getting there, definitely getting there, but not . . . quite . . . yet . . . -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Kyptastic Title: Manager Emeritus SWD Co-Commish Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 11/6/06 2:22pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -The Cigars of the Pharaoh (1933)
	The Middle-Eas scenes are the best in this volume. I think it drops off a bit when it gets to India, especially the whole elephant sequence. Rastapopulous (and also Allan) are introduced to great effect here. And you only get slight hints as to who the villain is all the way through - but nothing concrete. A brilliant set up for the reveal in The Blue Lotus -----signature----- "It is your choice," Saba said ."This one does not think it will interfere with our peace deal. We have plenty of Moffz. Blast two." Valar Morghulis
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Shrapnel Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 11/7/06 11:46am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -The Cigars of the Pharaoh (1933)
	Cigars always been one of my favorites. The original black and white version is way better than the current version IMO. It was also the last b/w album to be colored (in 1955, 11 years after Lotus). In the original version, the Thom(p)sons were called X-33 and X-33 repeated (my translation of X-33 Bis since I never saw any English translation), Allan didn’t appear : the captain was a faceless, nameless character. Also, some parts of the story were largely modified. In the original version, one of the « ghosts » attending the meeting near the end says that he killed Oliviera da Figuera because he was a commercial rival. And the current version didn’t keep the encounter o Tintin and the cobras or crocodiles when he’s following the fakir in the tree. With Cigars, Hergé tried to build a stronger history than the previous ones. But he later admited that he ended so mixed up himself with the story that he almost didn,t find a way to conclude. The early colored versions had some mistakes : in the beginning, when Tintin tells Snowy about their trip to come, instead of showing Asia’s map, it showed a map of a trip arround the Mediterranean Sea. And during Tintin’s diner with the Maharadjah, when he tells him not to worry about the music, Snowy used to be shown next to him…even if he was still with the Thom(p)sons at that time. -----signature----- In confusion, there is opportunity
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darkmole Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/8/06 1:58pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -The Cigars of the Pharaoh (1933)
	Have to say that this is one of my least favourite Tintins. It doesn't help that I read it years before The Blue Lotus was translated (I didn't even know about it) so I never realised that it was part one of a two part series. Even so, the story is an odd one, it doesn't quite gel, and it feels very fragmented. On the plus side, it sets things up for The Blue Lotus, which is Herge's first masterpiece.
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 11/14/06 11:06pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -The Cigars of the Pharaoh (1933)
	It's a bridge between the early stuff and the great middle period. The story is still choppy, with an escape a minute; but the artwork is better, and Tintin is less bumptious, and he doesn't kill masses of wild game. There's a great slight of hand in the execution scene--one of the better ones. Sophocles Scarcopholus is a dry run for Cuthbert Calculus, and we get a hint of Haddock in the captain that rescues Tintin in the Red Sea. And the trussed-up Egyptologists are a genuine unnerving image.
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 11/15/06 9:47pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -The Cigars of the Pharaoh (1933)
	The small coffin for Snowy (13b. Snowy - Dog) is one of my favorite images of the entire series. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 11/16/06 12:27pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -The Cigars of the Pharaoh (1933)
	Yes, that's funny, though I doubt Snowy thinks so. The escape in the coffins is also a nice touch.
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JediTrilobite Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 11/20/06 8:04pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -The Cigars of the Pharaoh (1933)
	Steven Spielburg is now looking at doing a Tintin miniseries, according to Comingsoon.net. -----signature----- Ever wonder what happened during the clone wars? Visit: http://www.theclonewarz.net My Blogs: http://www.jeditrilobite.com , http://tk3220.wordpress.com TK-3220, NEG VT Rep
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 11/20/06 8:15pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -The Cigars of the Pharaoh (1933)
	Again?! He's been considering it for about five or six years now it seems like . . . -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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JediTrilobite Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 11/20/06 9:59pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -The Cigars of the Pharaoh (1933)
	Apparently, he's had the rights since the 80s, but it's sounding like they've realized that they can't do a movie. I like miniseries better. -----signature----- Ever wonder what happened during the clone wars? Visit: http://www.theclonewarz.net My Blogs: http://www.jeditrilobite.com , http://tk3220.wordpress.com TK-3220, NEG VT Rep
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 11/21/06 11:03am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -The Cigars of the Pharaoh (1933)
	A movie would be difficult. And who would they cast? It would have to be a Belgian.
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