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JediTrilobite Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 1/9/07 7:10am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"The Black Island"
	I really liked this one, I've always thought that this is where Herge really hit his stride. Mystery, bad guys, the Thompson and Thomson bungling, everything in there, really good story, one of my favorites. -----signature----- Ever wonder what happened during the clone wars? Visit: http://www.theclonewarz.net My Blogs: http://www.jeditrilobite.com , http://tk3220.wordpress.com TK-3220, NEG VT Rep
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Shrapnel Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 1/9/07 9:43am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"The Black Island" - Date Edited: 1/9/07 9:54am (1 edits total) Edited By: Shrapnel
	In the 1955 French version of Cigars, the Sheik holds Tintin in Congo. It was later modified to create some kind of "unity in the saga" (hello Hayden in ROTJ). It was also changed to have the reader to react to it (really!) It's the same reason why the Thompsons were added in the colored version of Congo, but are only introduced in Cigars. As fot Black Island, as it has been already said, it exists in 3 very different versions. If you have a chance to take a look at the first colored version, you will be amazed to see the differences. As far as I know, it's the only comic book that had such treatment in history. Since in the black and white and first colored version the plane we see in page one was grey, the first title of the story was "Tintin and the mystery of the grey plane" (Tintin et le mystère de l'avion gris). In this story, Hergé used a mix of modern technology and old fears. Money counterfeit and to carry it by plane would seem common today, but was kind of ahead of it's time in 1937. The gangsters have a TV unit, which was very uncommon at that time. The genius was to add these elements to and abandonned castle, hunted by a beast. Modern crooks use old fears. -----signature----- In confusion, there is opportunity
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 1/9/07 1:45pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"The Black Island"
	My bad; not a translation, just a later issue. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Darth_Omega Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 1/9/07 2:03pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"The Black Island"
	Thanks for clearing it up Shrapnel, that was quite informative Anyway about Black Island from what I recall I enjoyed it, except for the ending for some reason. Mind you we're talking about a 10 year old me I'll reread it in a bit. -----signature----- Stress makes you bald, but it's stressful to avoid stress, so you end up stressed out anyway. So in the end there's nothing you can do.
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Erk Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 1/11/07 3:11pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"The Black Island"
	The interesting thing with the black island is the three versions. I think it's sad that the like 1967 is the official nowadays as I think the first colored version is superior. the 1967 version is kinda lifeless. You can certainly feel that Hergé wasn't very involved in those 'remake' drawings. + the facsimil version has a much nicer cover. BTW in the original BW version the scene where a goat saves Tintin from certain death tintin runs (with gun in hand) after the bad guys they shot at him with a tommygun which forces tintin to throw himself to the ground something that was later omitted in the colored version. -----signature----- "One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place." Mick Travis, If.... Blast. They've removed my icon. U S A ! U S A ! U S A !
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 1/11/07 3:16pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"The Black Island"
	I loved the adventures of Thompson and Thomson and the handcuffs. The drawing of their pratfalls was brilliant.
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Erk Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 1/11/07 3:24pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"The Black Island"
	I don't know. I'm split about those detectives. they're really walking on the edge of real cheaziness, kinda like threepio. I always thought the golden age were those early adventures with mostly Tintin like cigars of the pharao, blue lotus, broken ear (prob. the best), black island and sceptre of king ottokar though I think most people like after ww2 best. -----signature----- "One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place." Mick Travis, If.... Blast. They've removed my icon. U S A ! U S A ! U S A !
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 2/3/07 8:27pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"The Black Island" - Date Edited: 2/3/07 8:34pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zaz
	Next: "King Ottokar's Sceptre" First published: 1938 Colour version: 1947 First appearance: Bianca Castafiore & Sylvania From Wiki: "Like earlier albums The Blue Lotus and The Broken Ear, King Ottokar's Sceptre has a political subtext. Written in the late 1930s, the storyline reflects real-life events taking place in Europe at the time: the annexation of neighbouring states by Nazi Germany. The leader of the conspiracy is called Müsstler, obviously a combination of Mussolini and Hitler. His group, the Steel Guard, seeks re-unification with a neighbouring country in ways similar to Nazi Germany’s Anschluss with Austria and the Sudetenland. It includes supporters in the police and the government. Syldavia represents the small, peaceful, agrarian countries which the Axis powers (represented by Borduria) were threatening. The fact that King Ottokar's Sceptre is critical of Nazi methods of unification appears to have been lost on the German censors during the occupation of Belgium during World War II. While books like Tintin in America and The Black Island were banned because they took place in enemy countries like the United States and Britain, King Ottokar's Sceptre was still allowed to be published." I guess they just didn't get it. This is a good outing, with several of Herge's preoccupations: the absent-minded professor; the airplanes; and endless narrow escapes. In one scene, Tintin risks crossing the border with the sceptre to get food, which I thought fairly uncharacteristic. About this time, Herge may have concluded that the Thompsons are good comic relief, but as foils, they are not individual enough.
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 2/3/07 8:32pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"King Ottokar's Sceptre"
	My introduction to Tintin; found an old beat up copy in a thrift store probably twelve years ago. I still have it. I found the little pamphlet detailing the history of Syldavia to be quite bizarre and creative. But there are great moments; Snowy saves the day, not Tintin. And I loved the spring loaded stick out the window; classic Herge. One of my favorite Bianca Castiafore appearances; this is her introduction, is it not? The stuttering wagon driver is pure Herge perverse humor. Of the non-Haddocks this is one of the best. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 2/5/07 12:25pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"King Ottokar's Sceptre"
	I believe there's only one more non-Haddock.
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Kyptastic Title: Manager Emeritus SWD Co-Commish Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 2/5/07 1:13pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"King Ottokar's Sceptre"
	No, I think that's it. Haddock's introduced in Crab With Golden Claws (the next one IIRC) and he's in every one after that. -----signature----- "It is your choice," Saba said ."This one does not think it will interfere with our peace deal. We have plenty of Moffz. Blast two." Valar Morghulis
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Erk Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 2/5/07 1:16pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"King Ottokar's Sceptre" - Date Edited: 2/5/07 1:20pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Erk
	(Edit - I missed the "more") I in contrast to most tintin fans prefer those pre-haddock adventures, especially from the cigars and onwards, what you could consider tintins first golden age . The second being around unicorn. -----signature----- "One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place." Mick Travis, If.... Blast. They've removed my icon. U S A ! U S A ! U S A !
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darkmole Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 2/6/07 8:41am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"King Ottokar's Sceptre"
	Zaz posted: I believe there's only one more non-Haddock. You could argue that the Land of the Black Gold is a 'non-Haddock' story as Haddock does not appear until the final pages and the book was started before the Haddock-era. I like KOS a lot. Along with The Black Island, which it feels similar too, KOS delivers a strong story with lots of variety, interesting plot twists and colorful characters. I always liked the spring-loaded camera and the Twins' lamentable attempts to demonstrate how the sceptre would have been stolen. I've never quite 'got' Syldavia though. In KOS, Tinin is given the country's highest honour and he returns there again in the Moon stories, when Syldavia continues to be the good guys to Borduria's bad guys. Yet in The Calculus Affair, Syldavia are the bad guys trying to kidnap Calculus. Maybe the King lost his sceptre???
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Shrapnel Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 2/6/07 9:54am Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"King Ottokar's Sceptre"
	ZAZ:While books like Tintin in America and The Black Island were banned because they took place in enemy countries like the United States and Britain This is an urban legend. The Germans never banned them, but it was Hergé's editor who chose to print them in fewer numbers. But during all of Belgium's invasion, they could be found in libraries. Sceptre is one of Hergé's stories that fit the best with his times. Being a strong Belgium Monarchy supporter, he wanted to express his concern about a peacefull Monarchy (Belgium) being treated by a strong militaristic neighbor (Germany). Syldavia is an imaginary country that fit better in that king of story than a real one. The brochure Tintin reads while aboard the plane is pure genius: Hergé introduces the story and the culture to a fictionnal country, without damaging the dialogue where he could have lost some readers. Moreover, we discover in the brochure, as we find out later, what the bad guys are up to (stealing the sceptre). As said before, even if it criticizes Nazi Germany, Sceptre never had any problem with the censorship, exept with one thing: in the black and white version, the Bordurian military plane Tintin flies was identified as a Heinkel. Hergé was told later by the Germans not to do that again. Sceptre is the last story from Tintin's first era. It was the last complete story Hergé published in "Le petit vingtième". The next one, "Tintin in the Land of black Gold" was interrupted during publication in May 1940 due to invasion of Belgium by the Wehrmacht. "Le petit vingtième" was permanently closed and Hergé had to find work elsewhere. The story was not to be completed until a decade (and six other stories) later. -----signature----- In confusion, there is opportunity
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 2/6/07 7:56pm Subject: RE: The Adventures of Tintin -"King Ottokar's Sceptre"
	darkmole posted: I've never quite 'got' Syldavia though. In KOS, Tinin is given the country's highest honour and he returns there again in the Moon stories, when Syldavia continues to be the good guys to Borduria's bad guys. Yet in The Calculus Affair, Syldavia are the bad guys trying to kidnap Calculus. Maybe the King lost his sceptre??? This is, I believe, a satire on the post-WWII cold war downfall of many European nations. Your last line is not far off. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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