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DarthBoba
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RE: History vs Movie: Now Disc. 10 Most Historically Inaccurate Movies: "300"
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The "never retreat, never surrender" was what made Spartan soldiers so distinct from their counterparts, actually-it wasn't until well after Thermopylae that a Spartan army surrendered.
So yeah; that part is true, too 
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Spiderfan
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Its remarkable how many people complain that 300 is historically inaccurate when that's not the point. The movie (and the comic its based on) is meant to be an utter twisting of reality and of course history. Its not meant to be a poignant retelling of ancient history, but an over-the-top action flick with exaggerated violence. As stated its a campfire story told from the perspective of one soldier to his fellow soldiers. Its intended to bend reality.
This is the same author of Sin City which is incredibly rife with fractured reality and over the top violence and sexuality.
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Zaz
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Next: "The Last Samurai"
"The Japanese in the late 19th century did hire foreign advisers to modernize their army, but they were mostly French, not American. Ken Watanabe's character was based on the real Saigo Takamori who committed ritual suicide, or "seppuku," in defeat rather than in a volley of Gatling gun fire. Also, it's doubtful that a 40-something alcoholic Civil War vet, even one with great hair, would master the chopsticks much less the samurai sword."
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Soontir-Fel
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Completely accurate. Tom Cruise literally saved Japan all by himself.
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That's nothing. In his next movie, he tries to save Germany too!
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StarDude
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I don't care what ANYONE says. I love watching Tom Cruise, and I love 90% of his movies, including The Last Samurai. And I'm greatly looking forward to Valkyrie.
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Obi Anne
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StarDude, I completely agree with you. I think Tom Cruise is a really good actor, unfortunately his private life gets in the way of people realising that.
I like the Last Samurai, I guess this is one of the movies that I think are so beautiful that I don't care about the inaccuracies. Or maybe it's just that the starting point, that the Japanese wanted American experts, is so far off from the truth that it can't get any worse than that.
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Zaz posted:
Next: "The Last Samurai"
"The Japanese in the late 19th century did hire foreign advisers to modernize their army, but they were mostly French, not American. Ken Watanabe's character was based on the real Saigo Takamori who committed ritual suicide, or "seppuku," in defeat rather than in a volley of Gatling gun fire. Also, it's doubtful that a 40-something alcoholic Civil War vet, even one with great hair, would master the chopsticks much less the samurai sword."
The foriegn experts hired by Japan to mordernize their armed forces were German army officers and British sailors.
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Darth_Omega
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Chancellor_Ewok posted:
The foriegn experts hired by Japan to mordernize their armed forces were German army officers and British sailors.
French, Prussian (later Germans) and British soldiers were used to modernize the Japanese army.
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Now I'm no expert on Japanese history but I do know this much: the chances of a westerner EVER having seen the Emperor at that time, let alone be in the same room with him, are small at best.
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Next: "Apocalypto"
"This one movie has given entire Anthropology departments migraines. Sure the Maya did have the odd human sacrifice but not to Kulkulkan, the Sun God, and only high-ranking captives taken in battle were killed. The conquistadors arriving at the end of the film made for unlikely saviors: an estimated 90% of indigenous American population was killed by smallpox from their infected livestock."
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Zaz
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Next: "Memoirs of a Geisha"
"The geisha coming-of-age, called "mizuage," was really more of a makeover, where she changed her hairstyle and clothes. It didn't involve her getting... intimate with a client. In the climactic scene where Sayuri wows Gion patrons with her dancing prowess, her routine - which involves some platform shoes, fake snow, and a strobe light - seems more like a Studio 54 drag show than anything in pre-war Kyoto."
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Next: "Braveheart"
"Let's forget the fact that kilts weren't worn in Scotland until about 300 years after William Wallace's day and just do some simple math. According to the movie, Wallace's blue-eyed charm at the Battle of Falkirk was so overpowering, he seduced King Edward II's wife, Isabella of France, and the result of their affair was Edward III. But according to the history books, Isabella was three years old at the time of Falkirk, and Edward III was born seven years after Wallace died."
Let's also forget the lingering closeups of ol' Mel, his medieval mullet, his modern notions... 
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Zaz posted:
Next: "Memoirs of a Geisha"
"The geisha coming-of-age, called "mizuage," was really more of a makeover, where she changed her hairstyle and clothes. It didn't involve her getting... intimate with a client. In the climactic scene where Sayuri wows Gion patrons with her dancing prowess, her routine - which involves some platform shoes, fake snow, and a strobe light - seems more like a Studio 54 drag show than anything in pre-war Kyoto."
I love this movie! I think it sheds a lot of light on the geisha culture and it pains me when people say that it's a movie about a Chinese whore...because it just shows how ignorant people are concerning geishas and I hope this movie helps to enlighten people to some degree.
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Zaz posted:
Next: "Braveheart"
"Let's forget the fact that kilts weren't worn in Scotland until about 300 years after William Wallace's day and just do some simple math. According to the movie, Wallace's blue-eyed charm at the Battle of Falkirk was so overpowering, he seduced King Edward II's wife, Isabella of France, and the result of their affair was Edward III. But according to the history books, Isabella was three years old at the time of Falkirk, and Edward III was born seven years after Wallace died."
Let's also forget the lingering closeups of ol' Mel, his medieval mullet, his modern notions...
Let's also note that William Wallace was a terrible commander and it was the strategy of his co-general, Andrew Moray, that won the Battle of Stirling Bridge (note the bridge not portrayed in the film) while most military historians believe Wallace was a moron incapable of good strategy. A belief held up by his crushing defeat at Falkirk in which he alone was in charge because Moray was mortally wounded at Stirling.
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