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solojones
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RE: History vs Movie: Now Disc. 10 Most Historically Inaccurate Movies: "Braveheart"
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Poor Andrew de Moray. Such a great leader, but because he died earlier, no one pays attention to him. I would say Wallace was, fairly, at least an inspiring personage in his day.
I wrote a research paper about the differences between the historical William Wallace and the film. Did a lot of reading up and whatnot. I'm mixed on this. It's certainly not historical. Then again, part of the history of William Wallace are the highly exaggerated legends. And the film kind of makes that clear. I think if you look at it as a film about the *legend* and what that has meant to people in its various forms, then it's a good film. But if you try to take it historically, absolutely not.
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Zaz
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4/3 9:37pm
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My objection to this movie is that it is used in Scottish nationalism.
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StarDude
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Zaz posted:
Let's also forget the lingering closeups of ol' Mel, his medieval mullet, his modern notions... 
Mel sincerely did not want to star in this. It's not a vanity project.
There's a reason he made The Passion independently.
As for historical accuracy, Mel Gibson, as a storyteller, is certainly a dramatist. His movies intend to be compelling, but not necessarily accurate. And you judge a film on its merits.
Can you tell I'm a Gibson fan?
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Zaz
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I'm not necessarily not a fan...I like him in certain movies. But not this one.
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Zaz
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4/4 12:58pm
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"Elizabeth: The Golden Age"
"In 1585, when the movie takes place, Queen Elizabeth was 52 years old - Cate Blanchett was 36 when she shot the film - and was not being courted by suitors like Ivan the Terrible (who was dead by then). And though the movie has her rallying the troops at Tilbury astride a white steed in full armor with a sword, in fact she rode side saddle, carrying a baton. She was more of a regal majorette than Joan of Arc."
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Zaz
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RE: History vs Movie: Now Disc. 10 Most Historically Inaccurate Movies: "Elizabeth: the Golden Age"
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Next: "The Patriot"
"Revolutionary War figure Francis "The Swamp Fox" Marion was the basis for Mel Gibson's character, but he wasn't the forward-thinking family man they show in the flick. He was a slave owner who didn't get married (to his cousin) until after the war was over. Historians also say that he actively persecuted and murdered native Cherokees. Plus, the thrilling Battle of Guilford Court House where he vanquishes his British nemesis? In reality, the Americans lost that one."
Am I surprised? No.
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Chancellor_Ewok
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Am I surprised? No.
Me neither. It was a summer-block buster about the American Revolution.Numerous and blatant mistakes were to be expected.
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Zaz
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2001: A Space Odyssey
"According to this film, in year 2001 we would have had manned voyages to Jupiter, a battle of wits with a sentient computer, and a quantum leap in human evolution. Instead we got the Mir Space Station falling from the sky, Windows XP, and Freddy Got Fingered. Apparently the lesson here is that sometimes it's better when the movies get the facts all wrong."
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Spiderfan
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Its one thing to fault someone for misrepresenting events that have already occured, but to fault someone for not accurately predicting the future? I could think of better examples as well.
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Vengance1003
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Is Red Dawn on that list anywhere?
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Wait- you mean there wasn't a war waged by genetically-enhanced human augments led by Khan Noonien Singh, ruling over mankind in 1999 until escaping in cryostasis aboard an interstellar starship? 
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Zaz
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Shocking, indeed.
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Zaz
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RE: History vs Movie: Now Disc. 10 Most Historically Inaccurate Movies: "2001: A Space Odyssey"
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Another take on it; this basically postulates that inaccuracies are necessary:
"Every year, Hollywood pumps out "historical" epics so distorted, propagandistic and self-serving, you have to wonder just how stupid they think we are. But, try "fixing" some of those historical inaccuracies and you'll quickly realize what Hollywood screenwriters have known for years: History is lame. Here are 11 movies that make us glad no one gives a damn about trivial things like "what actually happened."
#11.Gladiator (2000)
The Flick: Russell Crowe and Ridley Scott present the epic tale of Maximus, a Roman general who became a slave, a slave who became a gladiator, a gladiator who defied an emperor and an actor/director team who threw all the audience goodwill they'd earned on this away by releasing A Good Year six years later.
The Inaccuracies: Commodus, the hare-lipped Roman Emperor who lusted after his sister in the film, was in real life held in high esteem by the senate and ruled for a successful 13 years (rather than the ineffectual few months depicted in the film). Also, though the Emperor did, in fact, have an enthusiasm for gladiatorial combat (he did so incognito), he didn't get his ticket punched in the arena. He was killed in the bath by a wrestler named Narcissus to prevent him taking office as consul.
Why It Would Have Sucked Otherwise: No one wants to watch Russell Crowe take 13 years to murder an emperor, who is basically a decent guy, only to get beaten to the kill by a wrestler. We like our villains like we like our Books of Genesis: with implied incestuous relationships. Also, since any Roman unit that broke ranks when in combat against barbarians would have been mercilessly slaughtered, the movie would have ended within about 15 minutes."
Well, he does have a point, but Commodus' decency is debatable. Here's contemporary Roman historian, Dio Cassius, on the subject:
"Dio Cassius, a first-hand witness who had no reason to defend Commodus, describes him as "not naturally wicked but, on the contrary, as guileless as any man that ever lived. His great simplicity, however, together with his cowardice, made him the slave of his companions, and it was through them that he at first, out of ignorance, missed the better life and then was led on into lustful and cruel habits, which soon became second nature."[5] His recorded actions do tend to show a rejection of his father’s policies, his father’s advisers, and especially his father’s austere lifestyle, and an alienation from the surviving members of his family. Whether this was a wholesale psychological rejection of his father is not something that can be assessed at this distance in time. It seems likely, however, that he was brought up in an atmosphere of Stoic asceticism, which he rejected entirely upon his accession to sole rule. After repeated assassination attempts on Commodus' life, Roman citizens were often killed for raising his ire. One such notable event was the attempted extermination of the Quintilii house. Condianus and Maximus were executed under the guise that, while the two Quintilii weren't implicated in any plots of rebellion, their wealth and talent would make them unhappy with their current state of affairs.[6]"
The attempts were usually at the instigation of Commodus's five surviving sisters.
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4/28 3:35pm
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Zaz posted:
But, try "fixing" some of those historical inaccuracies and you'll quickly realize what Hollywood screenwriters have known for years: History is lame.
No. History is awesome. Real events are much more complex and fascinating than some idiot screenwriter can imagine. If you feel like changing these events then go find somewhere when they actually happened. Because I guarantee that though Marcus Aurelius died of the chicken pox, there were emperors who were victims of patricide.
God, I hate people's attitudes towards history. It's no wonder people are so ignorant with things like this.
Also, hilariously enough, Commodus is widely believed to have committed incest with several of his five sisters.
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4/28 3:42pm
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Hey, that's not my opinion. I love history. I love historical accuracy even more.
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