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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 8/26 4:12pm Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Platoon" (1986)
	You know, with each year that goes by, I like this movie less and less. IMO, it's nothing more than a (bad) homage to Apocalypse Now masquerading as 'reality'. Born On The Fourth Of July is a vastly better Vietnam film, and is the one of Stone's worth watching, IMO. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 8/27 12:45pm Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Platoon" (1986)
	I don't like Stone, period. However, I admit to never seeing this film.
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Gonk Registered: Jul '98	Date Posted: 8/28 9:24am Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Platoon" (1986) - Date Edited: 8/28 9:27am (2 edits total) Edited By: Gonk
	Born On The Fourth Of July is a vastly better Vietnam film, and is the one of Stone's worth watching, IMO. I emphaticially disagree. Stone's problem is his ham-handed politics. But in Platoon it's kept to a minimum and in the background. His characters say certain things and are in certain situations: but who's to say that was not in some way the reality? The beginning of this film is incredible in its simplicity and the first scene works as a fantastic introduction. And none of the characters in this are what you would think of as "good" people anyway, with the possible exception of Elias. Maybe King, but that's another maybe. Even the main character/narrator does some unseemly things -- some good things but also things that are not easy to overlook. And the entire sequence in the villiage is extemely powerful from start to finish. By the time you're grearing up for the last battle of the film, you start to actually get a sort of mental fatigue and realize this is probably what THEY felt in some distant way. This film is not Apocolypse Now. Frankly it's a better film. Apocolypse tries to make a grand statement about the entire conflict -- good enough to strive for in and of itself -- but where Apocolpyse uses set ups and slightly contrived scenarios to convey a greater meaning, as many films do, Platoon grounds it that much closer to reality. -----signature----- What shall we do to fill the empty spaces Where waves of hunger gnaw? Shall we set out upon this sea of faces In search of more and more and more?
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 8/28 10:49am Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Platoon" (1986)
	I'm glad you feel that way, Gonk. Because it's still a horrible movie. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 8/28 4:24pm Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Platoon" (1986)
	Side note: Platoon is one of the chief films responsible for Ben Stiller writing the script that became Tropic Thunder. Stiller was annoyed and amused by the attitudes of actors in films like this who went through several weeks of 'boot camp' and a grueling shoot and suddenly acted as if they had truly been "in the ****" as they say. Contemporary interviews of the Platoon actors featured on the DVD do a great job of showcasing this unintentionally humorous self-importance. You'd think these guys were actual Vietnam vets from the way some of them talk. It's still a pretty engaging movie, though (mostly because Dafoe is teh awesomesauce in everything he does...). -----signature----- Personally if treating homosexuals with respect and dignity is the definition of 'anti-Christian' then I hope that Obama is the friggin' anti-Christ. - FIDo
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corran2 Registered: May '06	Date Posted: 8/29 7:16am Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Platoon" (1986)
	I agree with Gonk that Stone's politics are barely in this film. It presents a good argument: are Elias' compassionate ways the right way to turn in a war as brutal as the one in Vietnam, or were Barnes' hard-core and harsh military actions too far, even for a war as brutal as the Vietnam? Really I think that debate is probably the one soldiers must ask themselves in any war, and that makes this movie all the more realistic. Still, I prefer Apocaylpse Now, but this is a great film as well. -----signature----- Then my life felt as if it had been the length of one breath, one heartbeat.
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 8/29 9:19am Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Platoon" (1986)
	Zaz posted: bright sith and Rogue went 10 rounds over this one. Omigod. That's a name I hadn't heard in a long time. And an argument from way back. That was in the original thread in JCC, wasn't it? Wow. Anyway, yeah, I was on the side praising the film. I really love the movie; it's got a great philosophical debate at its heart and an emotional and resonant tug. And that final battle is one of the great combat sequences on film, I think. Stone's pretensions only get overcooked at one point; Sheen's closing monologue is pretty cheesy. A child born of these two fathers, huh? How's that work exactly? Responsibility to rebuild? You don't say? Thank you, Walt Disney. Well, whatever. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Gonk Registered: Jul '98	Date Posted: 8/29 6:54pm Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Platoon" (1986)
	A child born of these two fathers, huh? How's that work exactly? I agree, but at that point the movies over -- it's like the last line -- and it's not so horrensous that it's not easily forgotten amongst all the great cinemaphotography. What you take away at the end isn't that narration but the great shots of the copter flying and Sheen looking back down as it takes off. The last shots of his surviving comrades whipped by wind and dirt, and the bodies piled into the pit. -----signature----- What shall we do to fill the empty spaces Where waves of hunger gnaw? Shall we set out upon this sea of faces In search of more and more and more?
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 8/30 3:21pm Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Platoon" (1986)
	Next: "Caravaggio" (1986) USA, 93 mins. Colour Director: Derek Jarman Producer: Sarah Radclyffe Screenplay: Derek Jarman Photography: Gabriel Beristain Music: Simon Fisher-Turner Cast: Noam Almaz, Dawn Archibald, Sean Bean, Tilda Swinton, Nigel Terry, Robbie Coltrane The book praises it, and I'd like to see it, to judge from the description.
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 9/1 4:07pm Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Caravaggio" (1986)
	Gonk posted: A child born of these two fathers, huh? How's that work exactly? I agree, but at that point the movies over -- it's like the last line -- and it's not so horrensous that it's not easily forgotten amongst all the great cinemaphotography. What you take away at the end isn't that narration but the great shots of the copter flying and Sheen looking back down as it takes off. The last shots of his surviving comrades whipped by wind and dirt, and the bodies piled into the pit. Granted. That is a great shot. As for Caravaggio, I'd love to see it. I'm a fan of the artist (Caravaggio, I mean, not Jarman), as anyone would be. And he did have a fascinating and bizarre life. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 9/6 10:21pm Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Caravaggio" (1986)
	Next: "Tampopo" (1986) Japan, 114 mins. Colour Director: Juzo Itami Producers: Juzo Itami et al. Screenplay: Juzo Itami Photography: Masaki Tamura Music: K. Murai Cast: T. Yamazaki, Nobuko Miyamoto, Ken Watanabe A 'ramen Western', according to the director.
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 9/7 8:34pm Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Tampopo" (1986)
	Next: "Peking Opera Blues" (1986) Hong Kong, 104 mins. Colour Director: Tsui Hark Producers: Tsui Hark et al. Screenplay: Wai To Kwok Photography: Poon Hang-Sang Music: James Wong Cast: Brigitte Lin, Cherie Chung, Sally Yeh A historical epic--the book describes it as 'giddy' and 'gravity-defying'. Sound great.
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 9/21 8:19pm Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Peking Opera Blues" (1986)
	Next: "Salvador" (1986) USA, 123 mins. Colour Director: Oliver Stone Producers: Gerald Green, Oliver Stone Screenplay: Oliver Stone, Rick Boyle Photography: Robert Richardson Music: Georges Delarue Cast: James Woods, James Belushi, Michael Murphy, & John Savage (1) Whatever happened to John Savage? (2) I hate Oliver Stone.
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 9/23 9:54pm Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Salvador" (1986)
	Next: "Top Gun" (1986) USA, 110 mins. Colour Director: Tony Scott Producers: Jerry Bruckheimer, Don Simpson Screenplay: Jim Cash, Jack Epps Photography: Jeffrey L. Kimball Music: Faltermeyer, Moroder Cast: Tom Cruise, Kelly McGillis, Val Kilmer Formula a la the 80's. You don't need to see this before you die, or ever.
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Erk Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 9/24 1:12am Subject: 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die: Now Disc. "Top Gun" (1986)
	You do need to see this film before you die. You need to see it in HD. It was made for HD. This is the film that HD was made for. In HD, Top Gun is better Eye-candy than an MTV spot. -----signature----- "One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place." Mick Travis, If.... Blast. They've removed my icon. U S A ! U S A ! U S A !
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