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Darth Dark Helmet Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 5/26 11:41am Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "Blazing Saddles" (1974)
	It might be because, since you watched Spaceballs and Robin Hood first, you'd already seen all the jokes he recycled in those two movies from his earlier films. -----signature----- When dealing with genocide, you must ask yourself, "What would Hitler do?" And then, you know, do the opposite.
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The2ndQuest Title: : -Games -LACWAC -Lit Mod of Death Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/26 12:15pm Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "Blazing Saddles" (1974)
	I didn't notice that many, and the ones I did weren't not-funny out of repetiveness- the only one that really stood out was the hangman, which I liked. -----signature----- K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." "If I don't die, I don't feel like I'm getting my money's worth." - Drew_Atreides
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ApolloSmileGirl Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 5/26 12:39pm Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "Blazing Saddles" (1974)
	Dock that The2ndQuest a days pay, for napping on tha job. -----signature----- Queen " Baadasssss Pixie" of the Knights of the Sarcasm Table At first when I see you cry....Yeah, it makes me smile Yeah, it makes me smile At worst I feel bad for a while, But then I just smile I go ahead and smile...... VIN
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Zaz Title: Manager: The Amphitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 5/26 12:46pm Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "Blazing Saddles" (1974)
	Brooks didn't get to cast it the way he wanted: Richard Pryor. This does hurt it. My fave Brooks is the peerless "Young Frankenstein"
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RX_Sith Title: Monopoly host Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 6/7 9:00am Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "The Outlaw Josey Wales" (1976)
	The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976). (from wiki) The Outlaw Josey Wales is a 1976 revisionist Western movie set at the end of the American Civil War directed by and starring Clint Eastwood (as the eponymous Josey Wales), with Chief Dan George, Sondra Locke, Bill McKinney, John Vernon, Paula Trueman, Sam Bottoms, Geraldine Keams, John Russell, Woodrow Parfrey, Joyce Jameson, Sheb Wooley, John Quade, Will Sampson, and Royal Dano. The movie was adapted by Sonia Chernus and Philip Kaufman from the novel The Rebel Outlaw: Josey Wales (republished in 1975 under the title Gone to Texas) by Forrest Carter. In 1996, this film was placed in the United States Library of Congress and selected for preservation in their National Film Registry. Plot The opening of the movie portrays an embellished version of the September 23, 1861 sacking of Osceola, Missouri, following a skirmish early in the Civil War. Josey Wales (Eastwood), a peaceful Missouri farmer, is driven to revenge by the brutal and pointless slaying of his family by a band of pro-Union (Civil War) Jayhawkers—James H. Lane's "Redlegs" from Kansas. (During the historical raid, several male civilians of Osceola were executed after a drum-head court martial, but women and children were not killed.)[citation needed] Josey joins a group of pro-Confederate Missouri guerrillas (bushwhackers or "border ruffians") led by "Bloody Bill" Anderson. At the end of the war, his fellow guerrillas attempt to surrender but are instead gunned down in a botched execution by the same Redlegs (now part of the regular Union army) who burned Josey's farm and murdered his family. Josey, who had refused to surrender, begins a life on the run from Union troops and bounty hunters, while still seeking vengeance and a chance for a new beginning in Texas. Along the way, he unwillingly accumulates a diverse group of whites and Indians, despite all indications that he would rather be left alone. His companions include an elderly Yankee woman from Kansas and her granddaughter, rescued from a band of Comancheros, a wily old Cherokee man and a young Navajo woman. In the final showdown, Josey and his companions are cornered in a ranch house, which, typical of the times, was fortified to withstand Indian raids. The Redlegs attack but are systematically gunned down or sent running by the defenders. Josey pursues the Redleg leader. When he catches up however, his guns are empty. Josey confronts the Redleg captain and goes through all twenty-four empty chambers of his pistols before stabbing him with his own cavalry sword, a departure from the usual Eastwood style of gunning down the chief villain. (It is notable that, although the ranch house is fortified against Indians, and Wales spends considerable time warning his companions how to fight off an expected Comanche attack, Wales ends up negotiating a peace with the Comanche leader Ten Bears (Will Sampson). He instead fights with the Redlegs, another way in which this film can be considered revisionist.) Josey Wales' circumstances somewhat mirror those of a notorious bushwhacker named "Bill Wilson", a folk hero in the Missouri counties of Phelps and Maries. During the Civil War, loyalties in Missouri were divided. However, Bill Wilson maintained a neutral stance until a confrontation with Union soldiers on his farm on Corn Creek near Edgar Springs, Missouri. Wilson then struck back with vengeance and became a wanted outlaw before leaving for Texas.[1] "Mr. Wilson" is a pseudonym for Josey Wales in the film, possibly an acknowledgment of the plot's debt to the legend of the historical Bill Wilson. Significance The film was nominated for the Academy Award for Original Music Score. In 1996, this film was deemed "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" by the United States Library of Congress and selected for preservation in their National Film Registry. It was also one of the few Western movies to receive critical and commercial success in the 1970s at a time when the Western was thought to be dying as a major genre in Hollywood. The film is considered a 'Revisionist Western' because the lead character and hero is an outlaw and parts of the Union Cavalry (and therefore the United States) are shown in a negative light. Such a depiction of U.S. Cavalry ran counter to traditional Westerns preceding it. The Outlaw Josey Wales has also become a cult favorite (along with the similar Ride with the Devil) among many University of Missouri Tiger supporters, because its subject matter of a man fighting "Kansas Jayhawkers". Clint Eastwood has stated on the 1999 DVD release of the movie that this is his favorite of all his films. This movie is the source of the Directors Guild of America's so-called "Eastwood Rule." After Eastwood replaced director Philip Kaufman, the DGA instituted a ban on any current cast or crew replacing the director of a film. The film was based on a novel by Forrest Carter. After the film's release it was revealed that Forrest Carter was in fact Asa Carter (1925-1979), a former KKK member and speechwriter for politician George Wallace. Eastwood and others involved in the production were reportedly unaware of this connection at the time the film was made. Ironically, a major theme of the film is about people of different races, mainly Native Americans and Caucasians, learning to live together peacefully. The Chief Dan George character makes pointed references to injustices done to his people by white Americans, especially the Trail of Tears. Review (from IMDb.com) This is Clint Eastwood in one of his best roles ever. There's great one-liners like "You gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?", "Dyin ain't much of a livin boy", etc. Eastwood meets up with the likes of 10-bears (Indian chief), Yankee soldiers, Rapist Trappers, you name it. At one point Eastwood meets an old Indian "I forgot his name" who tells him that he didn't surrender, but they captured his horse and made him surrender. I haven't seen this movie in over 2 or 3 years and so my memory of it has faded some but it's one of the best Westerns ever. As Eastwood would say "Better 'an you'll ever live to see". Rarely is there a happy ending in Eastwood's work. There's always another trail to ride, a bounty to collect, and blood to be shed. 'The Outlaw Josey Wales' shows how hard it is for that blood to be washed away. Discuss. -----signature----- Chief of Staff - The SWC Rebel Scum
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Zaz Title: Manager: The Amphitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 6/7 9:08am Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "Blazing Saddles" (1974)
	I haven't seen this film, but the description is intriguing.
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JohnWesleyDowney Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 6/7 10:15am Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "The Outlaw, Josey Wales" (1974)
	This is one of my favorite Westerns and I'm not even a big fan of westerns. It's definitely one of Eastwood's strongest films. Philip Kaufman, the writer-director of the film - before being fired by Eastwood, co-created Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Ark with Lucas. I'm currently reading THE COMPLETE MAKING OF INDIANA JONES: THE DEFINITIVE STORY BEHIND ALL FOUR FILMS. In it, Lucas describes two or three weeks of story meetings with Kaufman in the early going, long before there was a script. But Kaufman had to stop working with Lucas on the story outline, because he was hired to work on the script and prep THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES. He needed the job. -----signature----- Peace.
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yankee8255 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/9 6:18am Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "The Outlaw, Josey Wales" (1974)
	A brilliant Western, one of Eastwood's best films. A tad long, but worth it. -----signature----- A perfect world: a house in the Hamptons with two solaria and a horse named Prickely Pete, Dr. van Nostrand as my primary care physician, the O-OT legally available on DVD in a quality worthy of its greatness and Luke the undisputed hero of Star Wars
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 6/11 3:51pm Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "The Outlaw, Josey Wales" (1974)
	Yeah, I remember seeing this and thinking, "And the critics were surprised by Unforgiven?" This is definitely one of the finest westerns of all time and maybe Eastwood's best American western. Great cast and it's got a lot of humor and for once, though Eastwood has lots of reasons to look for revenge, the film follows him trying to get away. -----signature----- All they found of the Duchesse d'Alencon was her head.
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DAR Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 6/11 4:47pm Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "The Outlaw, Josey Wales" (1974)
	Love Josey Wales. It's something I try to revisit at least once a year. My favorite exchange: Josey Wales: When I get to likin' someone, they ain't around long. Lone Watie: I notice when you get to DISlikin' someone they ain't around for long neither. -----signature----- 1 The Dark Knight A+ 2. Wall-E A 3. Iron Man A 4. Kung Fu Panda A- 5. Indiana Jones....B+
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RX_Sith Title: Monopoly host Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 6/20 5:57am Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "The Shootist" (1976)
	The Shootist (1976). (from wiki) The Shootist is a novel written by Glendon Swarthout and published in 1975. The book was made into a 1976 Western film directed by Don Siegel and is noted as being the final film role of actor John Wayne. Scott Hale and Miles Hood Swarthout (son of the author) wrote the screenplay. Plot The Shootist tells the story of John Bernard (J.B.) Books (John Wayne), an aging gunfighter, the most celebrated "shootist" extant, who is struggling with terminal prostate cancer. Although Books is perceived by some of the characters as an amoral opportunist, he expresses his simple creed when he says, "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Arriving in El Paso, Texas (film: Carson City, Nevada) in 1901, Books seeks the second opinion of an old friend, Doc E. W. Hostetler (Jimmy Stewart). Once Hostetler confirms the presence of the cancer, Books rents a room from the widow 'Bond' ("thats a crackerjack of a name for a woman") Rogers (Lauren Bacall), and her son Gillom Rogers (Ron Howard). Books' presence in town is soon known to most, and the news spreads by telegraph throughout the country. This results in the arrival of troublemakers to lure Books back to his past. Not only does he have to deal with his inevitable death, but he has to deal with the vultures who come to profit from his infamy. Having never had trouble facing death in other men, Books now struggles with the fact that death is calling on him. Background The character of J.B. Books serves to parallel the final days of John Wayne, who died from stomach cancer three years after production ended. The Shootist would be his final film role, concluding a legendary career that began during the silent film era in 1926. The knowledge of Wayne's health during the production would inspire much of the dialogue and imagery of the film. Lauren Bacall had suffered through the 1957 death of her husband Humphrey Bogart, who died of throat cancer, adding further shading to the parallels of the film. A popular urban myth holds that Wayne was dying of cancer when he made this film. Although he was in poor health during the production and this was generally considered to be his final film role, he had been cancer-free since undergoing surgery to remove his left lung in 1964. The cancer would not return until the last year of his life. At the time the movie rights were purchased, John Wayne was not seriously considered for the role, due to questions about his health and his ability to complete the filming. The producers had wanted George C. Scott, but Wayne actively campaigned for the role and made completion of the filming a personal mission. The film was shot on location in Carson City, Nevada and at studios in Burbank, California. In Carson City, the house at 500 N. Mountain Street that doubled for J.B. Books' rooming house (owned by Bond Rogers in the movie) is three doors south from the Nevada governor's mansion. The only change to the house was a portico added on the southern side. Besides changing the location from El Paso to Carson City, and having his horse Dollor written in, Wayne also changed the ending of the screenplay. Books was supposed to shoot Jack Pulford (Hugh O'Brian) in the back, and then Gillom Rogers (Ron Howard) was to shoot Books. Wayne said "I've made over 250 pictures and have never shot a guy in the back. Change it." He also did not want the young Gillom killing him. The screenplay was changed, having him shoot Pulford in the head, the bartender then shooting Books, followed by Rogers shooting the bartender. The horse that J.B. Books (Wayne) rides in the film, Dollar ('Ole Dollar), that he gives to Gillom Rogers (Howard), had been Wayne's favorite horse for ten years, through several Westerns. The horse shown during the final scene of True Grit was Dollar, a two-year-old in 1969. Wayne had Dollar, a chestnut Quarter horse gelding, written into the script of The Shootist because of his love for the horse, it was a condition for him working on the project. Wayne would not let anyone else ride the horse. Robert Wagner was a rare exception, who rode the horse in a segment of the Hart to Hart, after Wayne's death. The book makes no mention of Dollar, or a specific horse, but the script for the film was altered to include the horse. Upon its release in June 1976, The Shootist was a minor success, earning nearly $6,000,000. It received fair-to-excellent reviews, with enormous praise heaped on Wayne by many critics. It was named one of the Ten Best Films of 1976 by the National Board of Review, along with All the President's Men and Network, and was nominated for one Oscar, a Golden Globe, a BAFTA award, and a Writers Guild of America award. John Wayne and Lauren Bacall made one previous film together two decades earlier called Blood Alley (1955), a seafaring adventure set in China. James Stewart and John Wayne also made one previous film together, John Ford's The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962). Cast * John Wayne - John Bernard Books * Lauren Bacall - Bond Rogers * Ron Howard - Gillom Rogers * James Stewart - Dr. E.W. Hostetler * Richard Boone - Mike Sweeney * Hugh O'Brian - Jack Pulford * Harry Morgan - Carson City Marshal Walter J. Thibido * John Carradine - Hezekiah Beckum (undertaker) * Sheree North - Serepta * Scatman Crothers - Moses Brown Crew * Don Siegel - director. * M.J. Frankovich and William Self - producers * Elmer Bernstein - music * Bruce Surtees - director of photography * Douglas Stewart - editing. Awards * Novel o Western Writers of America, Spur Award Winner - "Best Western Novel" - 1975 (as: "one of the best western novels ever written." and as: "one of the 10 Greatest Western novels written in the 20th century.") * Film o Writers Guild, nomination: "Best Adaptation of a Screenplay" - Scott Hale and Miles Hood Swarthout o Academy Awards, nomination: "Best Art Direction-Set Decoration" - Robert F. Boyle and Arthur Jeph Parker) o Golden Globes, nomination: "Best Motion Picture Actor in a Supporting Role" - Ron Howard o BAFTA Film Award, nomination: "Best Actress" - Lauren Bacall Review (from IMDb.com) This was John Wayne's last film, and it sees the Duke as an aging, ailing but still tough as steel gunslinger named John Bernard Books. Wayne's character rides into town at the start of the film and visits James Stewart's pleasant Doc Hostetler, who tells him that he has terminal cancer and will die within two months. After this, Wayne goes and rents a room with widow Lauren Bacall, and begins to reflect on his situation, trying to figure a way to die retaining the dignity he has fought all his life to keep unscathed. The film is a particularly appropriate one for Wayne's last picture. The protagonist he plays is a man at the top of his profession with nowhere left to go. Any opponent who has ever fought him has died at the end of Books' barrel; but now, he is fighting an enemy he cannot hope to face and beat like a man. Whatever he does to fight the cancer, it will just take him anyway. And so, Books searches for a way to go down fighting and to die with dignity, not dying a slow crippling death in his bed. Books is a character that has many faults. He is a man who has killed thirty men and shows no remorse. As he puts it himself, `I never killed a man who didn't deserve it'. However, despite all his faults, he shows himself to a gentleman of the old school. He is like a knight in armour transplanted to the last days of the Wild West, trying hard to keep all the old values of a dignity and honour alive. He is a man who lives by a code which he believes in, and which he applies to others: `I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.' There is no real villain in this film. Books, with all his flaws, is not a bad man. The real villains here are the ordinary people who are all around him in the city, willing to exploit him and use his fame, illness and even his death to further their own wealth. The whole town, from reporters to undertakers, are only too eager to exploit him, with only a few good people being an exception to this tragic rule. There is no mistaking that this is the Duke's final picture, and not anybody else's film. It is his persona and his charisma that carries and controls the film. The character of Books – a rough, tough, but by no means bad, man – is very much similar to that of Wayne's own and this film is essentially a vehicle allowing him to have a dramatic swansong befitting a star of his magnitude. That isn't to say, however, that the others involved with this don't pull their weight. Lauren Bacall delivers well up to her usual standard of acting, presenting a character both strong-spirited and tenderly gentle at once, something which she does extremely well. Ron Howard also acquits himself admirably as her son, turning in a performance which has the same strength and heart as that of his screen-mother Bacall. James Stewart turns in a powerful cameo, adding to the overall poignancy of the whole affair, and Harry Morgan turns in a repellent performance as the contemptible Marshal Thibado. Dirty Harry director Don Seigel directs with skill and ensures that the film remains poignant, but never sentimental. For a western, this film does not have a great deal of action, but such is the quality of acting, direction and scriptwriting, that this doesn't really matter. When the violence does erupt, however, it is occasionally graphic but always exciting. The film's climactic gunfight is a particular highlight and is one of the Duke's best shoot-outs. This is a powerful, entertaining and enjoyable film, regardless; however, it is further ennobled by it being the Duke's final performance. There is something curiously heart-warming about the whole affair, not least the fact that he is enabled to go out in such great style. This is a must for fans of the western genre, for fans of the Duke, or for anyone who just wants to see a well made, poignant film. Highly recommended. Discuss. -----signature----- Chief of Staff - The SWC Rebel Scum
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Zaz Title: Manager: The Amphitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 6/20 7:24am Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "The Shootist" (1975)
	This was Wayne's last film before he died of cancer in 1979, and it has a sort of melancholy tone. Bacall works surprisingly well with Wayne; they have chemistry (they did in "Blood Alley", too) It's a little movie-of-the-week, but it's better than most of his later movies, with the exception of "True Grit".
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rumsmuggler Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 6/20 8:06am Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "The Shootist" (1975)
	Pretty good film. -----signature----- " Conan, what's best in life?" " Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women." W.W.L.D. What Would Lando Do "Why is the rum always gone?" Retcons = making the dumb stuff look even dumber.
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Jabbadabbado Registered: Mar '99	Date Posted: 6/20 8:38am Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "The Shootist" (1975)
	Like the article says, it's not great but better than a lot of other John Wayne movies, and works best as a metaphor for John Wayne's life and career. -----signature----- Malthusian Doomsday Quack
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RX_Sith Title: Monopoly host Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 7/3 6:35am Subject: RE: Western Movies: Now Disc. "The Electric Horseman" (1979)
	The Electric Horseman (1979). (from wiki) The Electric Horseman is a 1979 adventure and romance film starring Robert Redford and Jane Fonda and directed by Sydney Pollack. It was the third time Redford and Fonda had starred together in a film, having previously teamed on The Chase (1966) and Barefoot in the Park (1967). Plot Sonny Steele (Robert Redford) is a former championship rodeo rider who has sold out to a business conglomerate and is now reduced to making public appearances to sell a brand of breakfast cereal. Prior to making a Las Vegas promotional appearance to ride the champion thoroughbred Rising Star, Sonny discovers the horse has been drugged and is injured. Identifying with the plight of the horse and disillusioned with the present state of his life, Sonny decides to kidnap the animal and travel cross country in order to release it in a remote canyon where herds of wild horses live. Hallie Martin (Jane Fonda), a television reporter eager to be the first to break the Rising Star story, catches up with Sonny and follows him on his unusual quest across the countryside. While en route, the unlikely pair fall in love, all the while having to avoid the pursuing authorities. [edit] Production The film was directed by Sydney Pollack, who had previously directed Redford in This Property Is Condemned (1966), Jeremiah Johnson (1972), The Way We Were (1973) and Three Days of the Condor (1975), and later in Out of Africa (1985) and Havana (1990). Pollack had also previously directed Fonda in They Shoot Horses, Don't They? (1969). With most of the action taking place outdoors, the movie was filmed on location in Nevada, Utah and Zion National Park. The Electric Horseman is noted as being the debut acting performance of long-time country and western singer Willie Nelson, who plays the role of Wendell Hickson. It was also only the second film performance of character actor Wilford Brimley, who would later team with Redford in The Natural (1984). Willie Nelson contributed significantly to the film's soundtrack, singing five songs including "My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys," "Midnight Rider," "Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys," "So You Think You're a Cowboy" and "Hands on the Wheel." Released on December 21, 1979, the film did strong box office business earning $30 million in the United States. The film was nominated for an Academy Award in 1980 for Best Sound.[9] The Electric Horseman has since been released on VHS, Laserdisc and DVD. The film was co-produced by Columbia Pictures and Universal Pictures, and distributed by Columbia in the U.S. and Universal overseas, though the U.S. rights would later revert to Universal. Discuss. -----signature----- Chief of Staff - The SWC Rebel Scum
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