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rumsmuggler Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 8/28 3:45pm Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Little Shop of Horrors" (1986)
	Little Shop of Horrors rules.. -----signature----- " Conan, what's best in life?" " Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women." W.W.L.D. What Would Lando Do "Why is the rum always gone?" Retcons = making the dumb stuff look even dumber.
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 8/30 5:48pm Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Little Shop of Horrors" (1986)
	I haven't seen the Corman non-musical version with Jack Nicholson...I'd like to.
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halibut Title: FF Admin & UK RSA Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 8/30 6:02pm Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Little Shop of Horrors" (1986) - Date Edited: 8/30 6:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: halibut
	I saw it a while back. Not brilliant, but ok. Forgive me if this turns out to be an urban legend, but as far as I recall, the Corman movie was filmed over just 2 days. But it's amazing what great musicals are made from poor source material Little Shop of Horrors Phantom of the Opera Aspects of Love EDIT: Nicholson's only in it for a few minutes. He plays Bill Murray's role. -----signature----- Don't you know about the bird? Everybody knows that the bird is the word!
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Vortigern99 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 8/30 7:42pm Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Little Shop of Horrors" (1986)
	^ ^ ^ Phantom of the Opera? It's based on a beloved novel from the Age of Reason... or, if you like, a beloved film from the Silent Era. Hardly what I would term "poor source material". -----signature----- "I knew from the beginning I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale."--George Lucas My "Vader's Origins" thread: http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/8708417/p1
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 8/30 10:29pm Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Little Shop of Horrors" (1986) - Date Edited: 8/30 10:32pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zaz
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 8/30 10:32pm Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Little Shop of Horrors" (1986)
	The novel of "The Phantom of the Opera" is from about 1910, not the Age of Reason. I've read it; it hasn't aged well, though it might well be the quality of the translation. But it certainly isn't 'poor source material'. Great plot. Gaston Leroux must have thought so too, because he ripped it off from George Dumaurier's "Trilby".
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Vortigern99 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 8/31 9:13am Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Little Shop of Horrors" (1986)
	I stand corrected on Phantom's date of publication. I would opine, however, that Trillby (and its famous mastermind character of Svengali) served to inspire Leroux's conception of Phantom. There is so much in Phantom that is wholly original and unique, that it can hardly be said to have been "ripped off" from duMaurier. But that discussion is perhaps best suited for another thread. -----signature----- "I knew from the beginning I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale."--George Lucas My "Vader's Origins" thread: http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/8708417/p1
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 8/31 9:24am Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Little Shop of Horrors" (1986) - Date Edited: 8/31 9:28am (1 edits total) Edited By: Zaz
	The original source is probably the Faust legend, but as you say, we're off topic.
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RX_Sith Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 9/13 9:12am Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Moulin Rouge" (2001)
	Moulin Rouge (2001) (from wiki) Moulin Rouge! is a 2001 musical film directed by Baz Luhrmann, based largely on the Giuseppe Verdi opera La Traviata. It tells the story of a young British poet/writer, Christian, who falls in love with the star of the Moulin Rouge, cabaret actress and courtesan Satine, played by Ewan McGregor and Nicole Kidman, respectively. It uses the musical setting of the Montmartre Quarter of Paris, France. The film was nominated for eight Oscars, including Best Picture, and won two: for art direction and costume design. It was shot at Fox Studios in Sydney, Australia. In 2006, Moulin Rouge! ranked twenty-fifth on the American Film Institute's list of best musicals. Plot The year is 1900. Christian (Ewan McGregor), a British writer who came to Montmartre a year before, sits in a garret overlooking the closed-down Moulin Rouge. He has just begun typing on a new biographical work, detailing his love and loss of Satine (Nicole Kidman), a courtesan who has since died. The audience enters into Christian's memories. It is 1899, and Christian arrives in Paris as a naive and idealistic writer in pursuit of his place in the Bohemian world. He chooses the neighborhood of Montmartre, Paris, knowing it to be the epicentre of the Bohemian world at the height of the Bohemian movement. His life plan is vague at best, but he fully embraces the Bohemian ideals of freedom, beauty, truth, and above all, love. The only problem, as he discovers, is that he has no idea what love is. Fortunately, Christian is quickly acquainted with a group of Bohemian players who literally burst into his apartment. They are attempting to produce a theatrical production, "Spectacular! Spectacular!", which the Moulin Rouge's master Harold Zidler (Jim Broadbent) plans to put on at the cabaret. Unfortunately for them, the plot-line and lyrics to "Spectacular! Spectacular!" seem to have stagnated in their creative development, and the group is beginning to panic. When Christian suggests two or three changes to the script, the Bohemians are bowled over by Christian's natural talent for Bohemian poetry. The group agrees to add Christian to their group, and before the day is over, they take him to the Moulin Rouge (via the Green Fairy) in celebration. While partying is its own justification to the Bohemians, their visit to the Moulin Rouge has a second motivation; they intend to present him to Satine, a beautiful courtesan and lead performer at the Moulin Rouge, in the hopes that she will be impressed with his talent and persuade Zidler to hire him as the play's writer. Coincidentally, Zidler has selected the same night to introduce Satine to the Duke, whose wealth makes him the ideal financier for the production of "Spectacular! Spectacular!" and the conversion of the Moulin Rouge from a cabaret to a proper theatre. The lure for the Duke, as he explains to Satine, is two-fold: the profits made from the first production at the theatre, and exclusive retainer of Satine's services as the Duke's private mistress. To motivate Satine, Zidler capitalizes on her desire to become a dramatic actress, suggesting that becoming the Duke's mistress would pave the way for this career change. However, it is Christian and not the Duke that Satine (mistakenly) takes to her chambers. After a comic set of misunderstandings, Christian summons his poetic gift and charms Satine. She declares that she has fallen in love with him, but is shocked to realize he is not the Duke she was set to seduce, but actually a penniless Bohemian poet/writer. ("Your Song") Soon after, the real Duke (Richard Roxburgh) arrives and finds Christian and Satine together. Christian's quick wit and Satine's charm fool the Duke into believing that they were rehearsing "Spectacular! Spectacular!" The main cast improvises the plot of the show on the spot: a beautiful Indian courtesan has her kingdom invaded by an "evil maharajah." She sets out to seduce him to save her kingdom, but accidentally seduces and then falls in love with a penniless sitar player. The two must hide their love and evade the maharajah, though it is implied that one of them may die at the end of the story. ("Spectacular! Spectacular!") On the strength of their proposal, the Duke agrees to financially support the show. However, in private with Zidler, he quickly reveals that he is a violently jealous man who will pull all finances and even close down the Moulin Rouge if he does not get Satine to himself. Under the convincing pretense of writing and rehearsing for the show, Christian and Satine fall in love ("Come What May"), while Zidler struggles to keep the Duke interested even though Satine has not yet spent the night with him. Zidler also discovers that Satine is dying of tuberculosis, but does not tell anyone because "the show must go on." Meanwhile, Christian continues to develop the play, in which the courtesan and the penniless sitar player end up together. The Duke, however, belatedly realizes what has been happening. He demands a change of script, telling the cast that the courtesan must end up in the arms of the maharajah. To convince him to change his mind, Satine finally agrees to spend the night with the Duke. Christian is overcome with jealousy while Satine is alone with the Duke, who offers her a dazzling diamond necklace and everything of which she has dreamed. However, when Satine sees Christian on the street below, she refuses the Duke's offer and resists his advances. ("El Tango de Roxanne"). Enraged, he tries to take her by force, but Chocolat (a bouncer from the cabaret), rescues her. Satine and Christian plan to run away. The Duke coldly informs Zidler that if the "maharajah" does not get his "courtesan," he will have the "penniless sitar player" killed. Zidler confronts Satine, who is not swayed by his arguments until he reveals that she is dying of tuberculosis ("The Show Must Go On"). To save his life, she goes to Christian and lies to him, convincing him that her love was an act and that she prefers the wealthy Duke to the penniless writer. Toulouse confronts Christian that Satine is his life, but Christian does not want to hear about this because he lost Satine, so he tells Toulouse to leave (faintly at first, then a third time, loudly which leaves Toulouse no choice). As the show debuts, Satine is in poor health and can barely perform. When Christian, unwilling to give up on her, confronts her backstage, she tries to drive him off again, knowing he is putting his life in danger. Nevertheless, he follows her onto the stage, causing a brief moment of confusion before "the maharajah" (Zidler) declares he is the sitar player in disguise. Having pawned his typewriter, Christian throws the money at Satine's feet and storms off the stage. Toulouse saves the day by telling Christian that "the greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." Grieving, Satine confesses her love for him by singing their secret song. Christian returns to her, and they reconcile in full view of the audience and the Duke ("Come What May" Reprise). Enraged, the Duke attempts to shoot Christian, but is thwarted by Zidler. The audience applauds what they perceived as a good drama. Backstage, however, Satine is overcome by her illness and dies in Christian's arms. As her final wish, she asks Christian to tell their story, saying that if he does, she will always be with him. A year later, still in his garret overlooking the now-deserted Moulin Rouge, Christian finally types the last page of his story. "A story about a time, a story about a place, a story about the people, but above all, a story about love, a love that will live forever." Background Inspiration When asked about his inspiration for Moulin Rouge, Luhrmann remarked: "Catherine Martin (production designer and Luhrmann's wife) and I went to India to work on "Midsummer Night's Dream." We went out one night and there was a big poster up for a Bollywood movie. I said, "Let's go see that." We did - 2,000 audience members, high comedy, high tragedy, brother kills brother, [they] break out in some musical numbers, all jumbled up together in 4 hours of Hindi. We thought that was amazing. So our question was, "Could we create a cinematic form like that? Could a musical work?" A musical must be able to work in western culture again, and could it be comic-tragic? So then began this commitment of moving toward "Moulin Rouge." I decided I'd do "Romeo + Juliet" and then a musical film." There was also a play within a play, "Spectacular Spectacular," which itself may have been based on an ancient Sanskrit play, The Little Clay Cart. In addition to the Bollywood influence, Baz Luhrmann has revealed in the DVD's voice-over commentary that he drew from the Greek tragedy of Orpheus and Eurydice. Orpheus was a musical genius far surpassing anyone in his world; the filmmakers chose to replicate this by using songs from the mid-to-late 20th century, many decades after the film's 1899 setting. In this way, Christian would appear to the other characters to be an innovative musician and writer. Production Kate Winslet, Charlize Theron, Renée Zellweger, Sharleen Spiteri, and Catherine Zeta-Jones were all contenders for the part of Satine. Courtney Love was almost cast in the role, but lost out to Kidman at the last minute because Luhrmann felt that Love would not fit into the movie. Heath Ledger, Hugh Jackman, Jake Gyllenhaal and Russell Crowe were all considered for the part of Christian; Ewan McGregor was chosen for the role. Production on the film began in November 1999 and was completed in May 2000, with a budget of just over $50 million. Filming generally went smoothly, with the only major problem occurring when Kidman injured her knee while filming one of the more complicated dance sequences. The production also overran in its shooting schedule and had to be out of the Fox Studios in Sydney to make way for Star Wars: Episode II: Attack of the Clones (in which McGregor also starred). This necessitated some pick-up shots being filmed in Madrid. In the liner notes to the film's Special Edition DVD, Luhrmann writes that "[the] whole stylistic premise has been to decode what the Moulin Rouge was to the audiences of 1899 and express that same thrill and excitement in a way to which contemporary movie-goers can relate." With that in mind, the film takes well-known popular music, mostly drawn from the MTV Generation, and anachronizes it into a tale set in a turn-of-the-century Paris cabaret. The movie also features editing that several critics compared to a music video, involving swirling camera motion, loud music, dancing, and frenetic cutting. Some of the songs sampled include "Chamma Chamma" from the Hindi movie China Gate, Queen's "The Show Must Go On" (arranged in operatic format), David Bowie's rendition of Nat King Cole's "Nature Boy," "Lady Marmalade" by LaBelle (the Christina Aguilera/P!nk/Mýa/Lil’ Kim cover commissioned for the film), Madonna's "Like a Virgin" and "Material Girl," Elton John's "Your Song," the titular number of "The Sound of Music," "Roxanne" by The Police (in a tango format), and one of the few films to use "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana. The film uses so much popular music that it took Luhrmann almost two years to secure all the rights to the songs. Cast * Ewan McGregor as Christian * Nicole Kidman as Satine * John Leguizamo as Toulouse-Lautrec * Jacek Koman as The Unconscious Argentinean Kylie Minogue as the Green fairy Kylie Minogue as the Green fairy * Matthew Whittet as Satie * Jim Broadbent as Harold Zidler * Richard Roxburgh as The Duke of Monroth * Kylie Minogue as The Green Fairy * Kerry Walker as Marie * Garry McDonald as The Doctor * Deobia Oparei as Le Chocolat * Natalie Mendoza as China Doll * David Wenham as Audrey * Caroline O'Connor as Nini Legs In The Air * Kiruna Stamell as La Petite Princess Release and reception Originally set for release on December 25, 2000 as a high profile Oscar contender, 20th Century Fox eventually moved the release to the following spring so director Baz Luhrmann would have more time during post production. The film premiered at the Cannes Film Festival on May 9, 2001—making it the festival's opening title. A limited release on May 18, 2001 in the United States followed, and the film was released to theaters across the United States on June 1, 2001. The film was an instant success in limited release, grossing $185,095 in only two theaters on opening weekend. Representatives from the studio said that many audiences even burst into applause during the screenings. The numbers continued to increase over the Memorial Day weekend, with the film making $254,098. When it expanded into over 2500 theaters, it made $14.2 million in its first weekend of wide release. The film eventually grossed over $57 million in the United States. It had a brief re-release in October 2001 for Oscar consideration, with Luhrmann stating that his intent was to get Kidman and McGregor nominated. The movie was even more successful internationally. It broke box office records in Australia where it was given a rare theatrical re-release at the end of 2001, and found a stable audience in almost every country. It eventually made over $120 million internationally, resulting in over $177 million worldwide. The critical and financial success of the film renewed interest in the then-moribund musical genre, and subsequently films such as Chicago, The Producers, Rent, Dreamgirls, Hairspray, Sweeney Todd, Across the Universe, The Phantom of the Opera, Enchanted, and Mamma Mia! were produced, fueling a renaissance of the genre. The critics were somewhat mixed upon its release. Many praised Kidman's performance, though many others also criticized the overwhelming use of elaborate visuals. Awards Academy Awards record 1. Best Costume Design 2. Best Art Direction-Set Decoration Golden Globe Awards record 1. Best Picture - Musical or Comedy 2. Best Actress - Musical or Comedy (Nicole Kidman) 3. Best Original Score BAFTA Awards record 1. Best Supporting Actor (Jim Broadbent) 2. Best Film Music (Craig Armstrong) 3. Best Sound The film was selected by the National Board of Review as the best film of 2001 over many other contenders. After that, it picked up six Golden Globe nominations including Best Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy, Best Actress in a Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy (for Nicole Kidman), Best Actor in a Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy (for Ewan McGregor), Best Original Score (for Craig Armstrong), Best Director (for Baz Luhrmann) and Best Song ("Come What May"). It won three including the coveted Best Picture trophy. A few weeks later, it received 13 nominations at the BAFTA Awards, making it the most nominated film of the year for that ceremony. It took home three, including Best Supporting Actor for Jim Broadbent. When Oscar nominations were announced, the film received eight nominations including Best Actress in a Leading Role (Nicole Kidman) and Best Picture. The film was not nominated for Best Director (Baz Luhrmann); commenting on this during the Oscar ceremony, host Whoopi Goldberg remarked, "I guess Moulin Rouge! just directed itself." It took home two Oscars when the winners were announced for Best Costume Design and Best Art Direction; subsequently many proprietors of the film claimed that it had been unjustly snubbed at the Academy Awards. It should be noted that "Come What May" (the only original song in the film) was disqualified from nomination for an Oscar because it was originally written (but unused) for Luhrmann's previous film William Shakespeare's Romeo + Juliet and not written expressly for Moulin Rouge! American Film Institute recognition * 2004 AFI's 100 Years... 100 Songs: o "Come What May" #85 * 2005 AFI's 100 Years of Musicals #25 Soundtrack Main article: Moulin Rouge! Music from Baz Luhrmann's Film Songs sung in the Film: * "Nature Boy" – Toulouse * "The Sound of Music/Children of the Revolution" – Christian, The Bohemians, and the Green Fairy * "Zidler's Rap (The Can-Can)" – Zidler, Moulin Rouge Dancers, and Patrons * "Sparkling Diamonds" – Satine and Moulin Rouge Dancers * "Rhythm of the Night" – Moulin Rouge Dancer * "Your Song" – Christian * "The Pitch (Spectacular Spectacular)" – Zidler, Christian, Satine, The Duke, and Bohemians * "One Day I'll Fly Away" – Satine * "Elephant Love Medley" – Christian and Satine * "Gorecki" – Satine * "Like A Virgin" – Zidler and the Duke * "Come What May" – Christian, Satine, and Cast of Spectacular Spectacular * "El Tango de Roxanne" – The Argentine, Christian, Satine, and Moulin Rouge Dancers * "Fool to Believe" – Satine and Zidler * "The Show Must Go On" – Zidler, Satine, and Moulin Rouge Stagehands * "Hindi Sad Diamonds" – Cast of Spectacular Spectacular * "Come What May (Reprise)" – Satine and Christian * "Coup D’état (Finale)" – Cast of Spectacular Spectacular * "Nature Boy (Reprise)" – Toulouse The following is a partial list of songs featured in the film along with the artist that popularized them. * "Nature Boy" - Nat King Cole * "The Sound of Music" - Mary Martin (and later by Julie Andrews) (from the Rodgers & Hammerstein musical of the same name, featuring overdubbed theremin played by Bruce Woolley) * "The Lonely Goatherd" - also from The Sound of Music (but heard as instrumental) * "Lady Marmalade" - Labelle (and later by All Saints, covered for the film, by Christina Aguilera, Lil' Kim, Mýa, Missy Elliott and Pink) * "Because We Can" - Fatboy Slim * "Complainte de la Butte" - Georges Van Parys, Jean Renoir * "Rhythm of the Night" - DeBarge * "Material Girl" - Madonna * "Smells Like Teen Spirit" - Nirvana * "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend" - Carol Channing (later, and notably by Marilyn Monroe) * "Diamond Dogs" - David Bowie (and later by Beck) * "Galop Infernal (Can-can)" - Jacques Offenbach (tune for Spectacular, Spectacular) * "One Day I'll Fly Away" - The Crusaders, later Randy Crawford among others * "Children of the Revolution" - T. Rex (Covered by Bono, Gavin Friday and Maurice Seezer) * "Gorecki" - Lamb * "Come What May" - Ewan McGregor and Nicole Kidman (written by David Baerwald) * "Roxanne" - The Police (Title in film: "El Tango de Roxanne") * "Tanguera" - Mariano Mores * "The Show Must Go On" - Queen * "Like a Virgin" - Madonna * "Your Song" - Elton John Elephant Love Medley * "Love Is Like Oxygen" - Sweet * "Love is a Many-Splendored Thing" - The Four Aces * "Up Where We Belong" - Joe Cocker and Jennifer Warnes * "All You Need Is Love" - The Beatles * "Lover's Game" - Chris Isaak * "I Was Made For Lovin' You" - Kiss * "One More Night" - Phil Collins * "Pride (In The Name Of Love)" - U2 * "Don't Leave Me This Way" - Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes (later Thelma Houston, The Communards, among others) * "Silly Love Songs" - Paul McCartney and Wings * (Repeated) "Up Where We Belong" * "Heroes" - David Bowie (and later by The Wallflowers) * "I Will Always Love You" - Dolly Parton (and later by Whitney Houston) * "Your Song" - Elton John Two soundtrack albums were released, with the second coming after the first one's massive success. The first volume featured the smash hit single "Lady Marmalade", performed by Christina Aguilera, Lil’ Kim, Mýa and P!nk. The first soundtrack, Moulin Rouge! Music from Baz Luhrmann's Film, was released in May 2001, with the second Moulin Rouge! Music from Baz Luhrmann's Film, Vol. 2 following in 2002. Distinctions Award wins: * Golden Globe Award for Best Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy * Golden Globe Award for Best Actress - Motion Picture Musical or Comedy (Nicole Kidman) * Academy Award for Art Direction-Set Decoration (Catherine Martin & Brigitte Broch) * Academy Award for Costume Design (Catherine Martin & Angus Strathie) * Golden Globe Award Best Original Score - Motion Picture (Craig Armstrong) * Producers Guild of America's Award for Best Picture * National Board of Review's Award for Best Picture Award nominations: * Academy Award for Best Picture * Academy Award for Best Actress (Nicole Kidman) * Academy Award for Best Cinematography (Donald McAlpine) * Academy Award for Film Editing (Jill Bilcock) * Academy Award for Makeup (Maurizio Silvi & Aldo Signoretti) * Academy Award for Sound (Andy Nelson, Anna Behlmer, Roger Savage, Guntis Sics) * Golden Globe Award for Best Director - Motion Picture (Baz Luhrmann) * Golden Globe Award for Best Actor - Motion Picture Musical or Comedy (Ewan McGregor) * Golden Globe Award for Best Original Song - Motion Picture (David Baerwald - song "Come What May") * Best Compilation Soundtrack Album for a Motion Picture, Television or Other Visual Media Stage Version For a while in 2002/3, there was vast speculation on the possibility of a stage musical based on Moulin Rouge!, possibly in Vegas, but there have been no public talks in the years since.[5] Some sources claimed in 2006 that the director, Baz Luhrmann, had approached the leads of the film (Nicole Kidman and Ewan McGregor) to star in the potential stage version.[6] Influence on Popular Culture * In 2006 Moulin Rouge ranked #25 on the American Film Institute's list of best musicals. * In Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV Series), Willow Rosenberg says that Moulin Rouge! is one of her favorite movies. She also states that she stops it right before the end because she wants the film to have a happy ending. * In the Season 9 episode of Friends, "The One with the Memorial Service," Ross posts a statement on his college alumni website that Chandler is gay. Later, a telephone caller expresses surprise about Chandler's sexuality to Monica, and Monica responds that she should have known since Chandler kept making her watch Moulin Rouge. Chandler demands Monica hang up the phone and then exclaims, "That was a great movie!" * Entertainment Weekly named the film #10 in its list of the best 100 movies in the past 25 years. * Moulin Rouge was discussed in the VH1 series I Love the New Millennium, for the year 2001. Discuss. -----signature----- Chief of Staff - The SWC Rebel Scum
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Jag4Me Title: BYK and Man Bites Dog Hostess Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 9/13 9:56am Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Little Shop of Horrors" (1986)
	This is one of my all time favorites. You just can't help but get sucked in to singing along! I confess that I may have passed on it originally if I wasn't such a big Ewan fan. La Traviata was based off the story of La Dame Aux Camelias, I recommend both of those too. I love to hate Richard Roxburgh as the Duke in this...he's so slimy. -----signature----- "Your new nickname, especially in the TIS circle, is the Stoner." - Trika_Kenobi "Jag- Wicked Temptress of Mandalorians" - adaml83 "Well if anyone could get a Mando in a kilt, I'd place my money on Jag." - PrincessCambria
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packerfansam Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 9/13 11:35am Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Moulin Rouge" (2001)
	I absolutely love Moulin Rouge, it's my second favorite movie of all-time. Just a beautiful film in my opinion. -----signature----- Help save innocent lives, go to www.petfinder.com. Formerly SeventhAngelicSlayer Detroit Red Wings: 2008 Stanley Cup Champions
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LilyHobbitJedi Title: Apples to Apples and 20 Questions hostess Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 9/13 1:34pm Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Moulin Rouge" (2001) - Date Edited: 9/13 1:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: LilyHobbitJedi
	I LOVE Moulin Rouge! It's not only breathtakingly beautiful, but the music is spectacular. The story is fantastic despite being so heartbreaking, but Ewan McGregor and Nicole Kidman sang beautifully in it. -----signature----- Proud Master to eboneya & Alassë Eärfalas! Everybody Lies- House/SW Crossover! http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/28032689/r28039379/ A Light In The Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b1047
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 9/13 1:51pm Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Moulin Rouge" (2001)
	I didn't dislike "Moulin Rouge", but I had several problems with it. 1. Why cast non singers and non dancers? McGregor's voice isn't bad, but he has a tendency to go flat, and Kidman has a very small voice with little character. I realize she's supposed to be tubercular, but reality in this context is absurd. 2. Why cast non singers in even the non-leading roles? The Duke, for instance. And alas, he can't act, either. 3. The non-original music works sometimes, but most often doesn't--it's jarringly not in period. 4. The choerography again often doesn't work in period. What does work: Kidman's and especially McGregor's performances; the look of the film, and the kinetic style. Dubbing wouldn't have hurt, IMO.
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Jag4Me Title: BYK and Man Bites Dog Hostess Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 9/13 2:16pm Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Moulin Rouge" (2001)
	^^ But, isn't that just it? It's supposed to be this huge camp, glittering, insane - thing. All the crazy things you list are what makes it work. Who cares that those actors can't act? The non-original music is creative use of another guys creativity - that works, eh? Not that period? I agree, but on the music but some of the dances are fine IMO. They could have made it more sleezty, I guess? John Leguizamo was a brilliant Toulouse-Lautrec. I burst out laughing just thinking about him in this. And, you know that you can't stop from singing along on either "Spectacular Spectacular" or "Your Song". I wail out those damn songs. Just over a week ago I was singing "Spectacular" before a rehersal and practicing a tap routine for another song. So exciting The audience will stomp and cheer So delighting It will run for fifty years So exciting The audience will stomp and cheer So delighting It will run for fifty years My instructor said it worked better with the song I was supposed to be working on. -----signature----- "Your new nickname, especially in the TIS circle, is the Stoner." - Trika_Kenobi "Jag- Wicked Temptress of Mandalorians" - adaml83 "Well if anyone could get a Mando in a kilt, I'd place my money on Jag." - PrincessCambria
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 9/13 2:17pm Subject: RE: The Movie Musicals Thread: Now Dis. "Moulin Rouge" (2001)
	Camp, of course, is the problem. My opinion is that the movie just narrowly avoids complete camp by the genuine emotion in McGregor's performance.
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