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Soontir-Fel
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8/24 1:40am
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RE: The Dark Knight
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I am so glad that none of you have anything to do with the third movie.
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GrandAdmiral_Frank
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LordSilvertouch
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8/25 2:53am
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Soontir-Fel posted:
I am so glad that none of you have anything to do with the third movie.
QFT. 
No, there are some interesting ideas out there, but honestly I don't see why people have to expand everything beyond a third film. People here seem to love setting up sequels, rather than making a film which is a pay-off to past films. All the conversation seems to be about is "this happens in film 3, which is a sweet set up for film 4". What happened to "TDK left us in the perfect place for film 3 to be this".
I mean at this stage it's an assumption that there will be a film 3, no matter what you've read in the magazines or on the internet. If Nolan says no, Bale says no. And if they don't have those two, in my eyes, it's not worth bothering with. I almost want them to leave it at TDK, just to buck the trend of franchises.
And NO, that doesn't mean do a reboot. It's been three years since this franchise started, I can't believe some people are calling for a reboot. Ditto Spider-man. Maybe it's not so bad here, but at SHH! it's a joke.
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DarthBoba
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Oops. I had the impression that a 3rd film was pretty much a done deal.
Anyway:
Robin And Why He's cool
“Take the time to tell the story properly,” Loeb said. “There is a story of Dick Grayson and how he becomes Robin that is extremely moving and very helpful. …
[Grayson/Robin] doesn’t understand why it is that he needs to do this and Bruce doesn’t understand why he’s doing it either because he’s not a parent. He doesn’t know how to be a parent,” Loeb said. “And together, they make each other better people. So that for me would be the next step.”
Right now, Robin is considered to be a hex for the series due to Joel Schumacher’s legendary wack-job with the character/costumes. Combined with Robin’s oft-pubescent, effete depiction, he automatically seems like a flamboyant anomaly to Nolan’s world of hardboiled crime staked in realistic technology and sophistication. Of course, Nolan’s take on Robin would certainly not resemble anything like the admittedly biased image above, but Robin would still prove a creative challenge to adapt unlike any other character in his mythology. Oddly enough, Bale stated back in 2005 that one of his favorite Batman comics was Dark Victory, in which Robin plays a considerable role…
Right now, Robin is considered to be a hex for the series due to Joel Schumacher’s legendary wack-job with the character/costumes. Combined with Robin’s oft-pubescent, effete depiction, he automatically seems like a flamboyant anomaly to Nolan’s world of hardboiled crime staked in realistic technology and sophistication. Of course, Nolan’s take on Robin would certainly not resemble anything like the admittedly biased image above, but Robin would still prove a creative challenge to adapt unlike any other character in his mythology. Oddly enough, Bale stated back in 2005 that one of his favorite Batman comics was Dark Victory, in which Robin plays a considerable role…
“But the two [Batman stories] that I liked particularly were Dark Victory and The Long Halloween. They just had some really fantastic imagery in there of the severity of Batman and everything and I would kind of imitate those positions.”
There’s speculation that The Daily Mail falsely attributed the Robin diss to Bale; however, it’s equally as likely that Bale simply browsed through various graphic novels sent to him by DC (as he informed fans in the link above) with casual interest. As it stands, Bale hates Robin. Haha. If the third film is indeed the last, might it seem strange to have entirely overlooked such a well recognized part of canon? While /Film doesn’t wish to see Robin appear in any form, Loeb does make a nice and knowing effort to illustrate how it could be done tastefully…
“I wouldn’t let him become Robin until the third act, if that. I think that’s the other problem when you tell that story is that there’s this rush to put him in a costume by the end of the first 20 minutes and in that case I think it’s a disaster…”
Discuss: Do Loeb’s comments change your stance on the appropriateness/inclusion of Robin in a sequel to The Dark Knight? Is it worth the risk and if so, how old would Robin need to be for it to work? What do you make of Bale’s compliments to Dark Victory but dislike for Robin?
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Personally, I think the gripe about "But Schumaker ruined teh character so it won't work in the new movies!!" is nonsense, especially when viewed that Batman Forever (not flamboyantly gay, but certainly stupid) and The Dark Knight share Two-Face. Audiences are smart enough to understand the obvious difference between Schumaker and Nolan's characters.
And as Loeb is primarily responsible (along with Tim Sale) for one of my four or five favorite comic panels of all time, I'd say he knows what he's talking about.
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Penguinator-176
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Loeb (IMO) renders his own opinion null and void with his work on Batman. Loeb's Batman tries to be edgy like Miller's, but comes across as blunt and stubborn.
I personally don't care how many times it gets rationalized or modernized or Nolan-ized; Robin would be too much for the series. Bringing him in negates the theme of isolation and seclusion Nolan's made for Batman, something that TDK made big in a big way. Throwing Robin into the mix would make him nothing more than a sidekick, which in a skilled writer's hands does not happen (as far as the comics go), but this is a serious film about Batman. Adding a teenager to the mix? Not cool.
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StarDude
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8/27 12:24am
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I think Robin could work in these movies fine. Remember having Robin isn't so much to give Batman a sidekick, but to put him in the role of surrogate, which is interesting.
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The_Smirking_Revenge
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8/27 1:02pm
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"Oops. I had the impression that a 3rd film was pretty much a done deal."
Well according to the folks over at Warners...
Link.
Hopefully this will put an end to rumors like: "Johnny Depp will be the next Joker or Riddler" "Angelina Jolie is Catwoman" or the latest to hit the Aol hompage, "Cher tapped as Bale's new catwoman"...
I keep sayin' it, Nolan isn't even thinkin' about the Bat right now. He's tryin' to get away from it. He deserves to, for a while. And this article seems to show that the studios are actually waiting on Nolan to even consider moving ahead. Smart on their part.
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Kylec1138
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Sounds good to me.
I've always loved Tim Burton's Batman films. But I think Christopher Nolan's films are the definitive version of Batman. Even if not fully faithful to the comics, its captured the spirit of what Batman should be.
So if he waits a long time to make the third one, that's fine. I just want it to be good.
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WormieSaber
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After watching Sweeney Todd, my thoughts on Tim Burton has changed.
Tim Burton is a crazy man. There has to be a fine line between art and just craziness. Sweeney Todd is supposed to be a musical. Movies like the West Side Story, or The Wizard of Oz, where the characters dance, this is the missing musical element in Sweeney Todd. Horrible attempt at making a musical by Tim Burton.
Anyway, despite the fact that the first Batman movies is marvelous....
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8/27 6:19pm
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WormieSaber posted:
After watching Sweeney Todd, my thoughts on Tim Burton has changed.
Tim Burton is a crazy man. There has to be a fine line between art and just craziness. Sweeney Todd is supposed to be a musical. Movies like the West Side Story, or The Wizard of Oz, where the characters dance, this is the missing musical element in Sweeney Todd. Horrible attempt at making a musical by Tim Burton.
Anyway, despite the fact that the first Batman movies is marvelous....
damn that Tim Burton! Why didn't he stick to a formula that's been used for decades?! How dare he not make a formulaic musical?! HOW DARE HE?!?!
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WormieSaber posted:
After watching Sweeney Todd, my thoughts on Tim Burton has changed.
Tim Burton is a crazy man. There has to be a fine line between art and just craziness. Sweeney Todd is supposed to be a musical. Movies like the West Side Story, or The Wizard of Oz, where the characters dance, this is the missing musical element in Sweeney Todd. Horrible attempt at making a musical by Tim Burton.
Anyway, despite the fact that the first Batman movies is marvelous....
The creator of Sweeney Todd, Stephen Sondheim, who knows a thing or too about musicals (duh) I might add, was absolutely thrilled with what Tim did with Sweeney Todd. He said this publicly over and over and over in interviews, and did so enthusiastically. He also says this and goes into some detail about it, in the DVD special features. I think if Tim met the EXTREMELY high standards of Stephen Sondheim, a man known for being very critical and intensely opinionated as well as a legendary talent in his own right, I think Tim did his job well.
I've heard a lot of criticism of the film, but DANCING??? Not enough dancing means it's not a MUSICAL? The film is about 80% MUSIC!!!
Sondheim strongly agreed with Tim that you don't transfer a broadway musical to film literally and exactly, you have to make some appropriate changes to make it cinematic, to fit a different medium. One of the reasons so many bad films have been made out of musicals is because directors didn't do that.
Anyway, this is the Dark Knight thread. Enough of Sweeney here.
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Soontir-Fel
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Heh.
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LordNyax113
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8/29 11:18am
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Soontir-Fel posted:
Heh.
Wow.
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The_Smirking_Revenge
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Soontir-Fel posted:
Heh.
That would almost be funny in a sick way if the billboard had actually been painted and not just photo shopped.
Gives me an idea though.... 
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