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There is just so much wrong with Measure of a Man that I doon't know where to begin.
And what bugs me most is that everyone (in the Trek universe) just sits by and accepts it.
I have never ever seen an episode of Star Trek where Star Fleet/The Federation is so abysmally written. The writers took everything that Gene Roddenberry (even though he was still around) said that The Federation was and just threw it out of the window.
Who the hell are the Federation to say that Data is THEIR property. They didn't make him. Did Picard raise that point? No. Poor writing.
Who the hell are the Federation to claim that someone who went through all the admission procedures etc is suddenly not allowed to resign? Did Picard raise that point? No. Poor writing.
And in fact, Picard even acts as though all those issues are ok. He has to come up with some ridiculous convoluted slavery metaphor despite there being countless issues that would end the situation instantly.
I'm sure there are some sort of contracts signed (or thumb printed) when people join Star Fleet. And these would be signed by both the employer and the employee. That contract would be signed by Star Fleet and would give Data the right to resign. Did Picard raise that point?
And I've not even touched on the ridiculousness of Riker being forced to act as prosecutor. What a load of balderdash. Maddox should either have represented himself, or delayed the hearing (which shouldn't have even happened in the first place).
Damn, this was such a pisspoor episode which frustrates me on pretty much every level.
And what makes it worse, is that it was so fixable. You want to do an episode which "proves" that Data is more than a machine, and you want it done in a courtroom? Fine. Go to an alien planet where artificial life forms are illegal. Have the trial there. Use some alien world that has stupid laws and morals regarding sentience. Use some alien world where they have stupid laws that could force Riker to act as prosector. But don't drag Star Fleet down to that level.
1/10 (and the 1 is for the poker game)
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I'm pretty sure I've seen this one, and it's full of the maker (Roddenberry)
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Oh, the whole human rights issues are definitely Roddenberry. But the whole setting and premise just takes everything that Star Fleet stood for and chucks it out the window.
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How did TNG managed to survive through the first two seasons? 
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Despite the season being harmed by the '88 writer's strike, there have been some remarkable improvements over the first season. Beyond the cast shifting (outside of Crusher/Pulaski), there's been little, if any, "we art uber human" snyde or ignorant comments, and they all feel more human and relateable, and there's been a lot less Roddencamp- though echoes appear here and there (Giant Space Face, the afore-linked Dauphin morph).
And Halibut does have a good point- Measure of a Man does cast Starfleet in an unusually negative manner, especially considering Roddenberry's adamant opinions about it.
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210: The Dauphin:
-Premise: Wesley falls in love with the new leader of a war-torn planet.
-T2Q Comments: I see at least some of these people turn into rejects from the Forest Moon of Endor. Wesley in love, how, arg...getting advice from everyone, I really have no interest in this plot- seriously, who thought "You know what would make a great episode? Star Trek dating tips!"
Riker/Guinan flirting just too much, but "shut up kid" is funny (shut up Wesley throwback?  ) and the "kill the patient" morph scene is probably one of the funniest things I've ever seen
Despite the episode as a whole, Picard's moments make me genuinely want to like this episode- but Stewart is just that good, while this episode is not
Ah, she's a Vorlon!
Ok, but not essential, borderline Forgettable
211: Contagion:
-Premise: The Enterprise and a Romulan warbird are attacked by the same computer virus that destroyed another Federation starship.
-T2Q Comments: Always nice to have another Galaxy-class around...well, even for a short while The Yamato is the first Galaxy lost on screen...
Romulans back in play. Unfortunately the cause of the malfunction is telegraphed 10 minutes in rather plainly
Aappearing out of thin air seems "magical"? transporter! commonplace technology! hello?
Geordi's wild ride, all aboard!
The splint conversation sadly falls prey to the edges of we art uber human. Data's reaction to throwing Geordi is fantastic.
Aware of risks using Transporter...why not use a shuttle?
Everyone's tense so Deanna suggests they give the crew something to do, so Rike suggests evacuation- how the hell is that going to make them less tense?
So essentially the solution is to reinstall windows? how come they didn't try that to begin with?
Really good episode, but it also highlights the We Art Uber Human hypocrisy of past comments remarking at how uncivilized or primitive humanity and othe cultures used to be/are for having different nations and flags in conflict, yet they do the same stuff with the Romulans ala destroying ancient technology to prevent the oposing side from acquiring it.
Romulan connection and Iconian gateways (later to be revisted in DS9) makes this Definitely Essential
212: The Royale:
-Premise: The Enterprise investigates the wreckage of a 21st century Earth spaceship orbiting a distant planet and the appearance of a casino with inhabitants based on a paperback novel.
T2Q Comments: Beaming aboard a piece of floating debris that just happens to be perfectly balanced to stand upright...I'd expect it to fall over. NASA tag a nice, grounded tease, unlike the rest of the episode forthcoming.
Once they lose communications by walking through door, why not try to step back outside to check in first?. This is feeling like a non-holodeck holodeck episode or time planet of the week episode. Although they establish they can;t walk back out through the door, still doesn't excuse why they didn't try earlier.
Data's dice rolling amusing, but still, bad episode- would have been a bad episode even if it had been a holodeck episode; Forgettable.
Up next: 213: Time Squared, 214: The Icarus Factor and 215: Pen Pals.
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The Dauphin
I have no desire to ever watch this episode ever again. Apart from maybe the Riker/Guinan scene
Contagion
A wonderful episode. Blue...blue...blue
The Royale
This is one of my guilty pleasures. I know it's bad, but I could watch it over and over again!
And I still haven't found out whether it's a real book
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I must confess to The Royale being a "guilty pleasure" of mine as well. 
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The only reason to really watch The Dauphin is for Picard's scenes and for the really cute chick (but, damnit, that's the problem with watching TV shows 20+ years old- she's probably in her 40's by now and I'm probably only a little older than she was when she filmed the episode)
I don't think I could watch anything but the Data gambling scenes from The Royale again.
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I love Contagion. I don't know why, but I do; it's one of my favorites that I have a special affection for. I think it just brushes my imagination the right way with just the right amount of teasing with the descriptions of the "demons of air and darkness" and that Stargate-like-door: I always wondered what would have happened had they walked through to one of those other planets -- would they end up on the other end of he galaxy?
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Supposedly those doorways come back into play in a DS9 episode.
213: Time Squared:
-Premise: The Enterprise discovers a duplicate of Picard from six hours in the future.
-T2Q Comments: Finally, an episode that doesn't open on the same damn shot of the ship. Again, not much of a teaser opening.
Why drag the 2nd Picard to sickbay? Why not just beam him there? Wouldn't that be faster and less likely to cause harm or worsen his condition?
"You're not indestructible yourself, ya know" strikes me as an interesting moment- almost feels like it's a line out of ESB or something.
Second Galaxy-class destruction occurance, first for the Enterprise-D. Various vortex and ship visuals rather neat.
Has a bit of a "this happened and we move on" vibe to it, so ending is a tad unfulfilling, but still, Good Episode But Not Essential- however, it was apparently originally intended to be followed by Q Who, where they would ahve revealed Q had created the vortex (there's a similar energy blast that destroys the probe and ship to Q's "flick across the galaxy"). Also worth noting is this is the first instance of time travel in TNG.
214: The Icarus Factor:
-Premise: When Commander Riker is offered command of the starship Aries, his estranged father, Kyle Riker, is sent by Starfleet to brief him on the mission. Meanwhile, Data, La Forge, Dr. Pulaski, Wesley, and O'Brien help Worf celebrate the anniversary of his Rite of Ascension.
-T2Q Comments: Riker getting possible promotion is interesting, Wesley trying to help out Worf's issues, not.
Pulaski knowing Riker's father seems strange that she would not mention it to him. Worf ceremony not very compelling- it's like they needed an excuse for something that felt more Star Trek kitchy. Ooh- American TRON Gladiators!
Riker's decision rushed to conclusion/explaination- not a bad episode, but not one I'd want to rewatch.
215: Pen Pals:
-Premise: On a mission to investigate geologic instability in the Selcundi-Drema sector, Data makes contact with a young girl from a pre-warp civilization on a planet facing imminent annihilation. The crew of the Enterprise must wrestle with the moral implications of violating the Prime Directive or standing by while Data's friend dies.
T2Q Comments: Another "let's teach Wesley" subplot...yay.
Extended Prime Directive philosophical discussion...seems a little redundant by this point, but considering how I'll never be rewatching episodes like Justice again, I suppose I can let it slide...I do like the distinction this makes between Trek and other franchises though- as well-meaning as it is, the prime directive to the letter would allow preventable death and catastrophies- Earth Alliance or Stargate Command would go and help those people- now, granted, Picard decides to help, but there's a degree of debate that wouldn't have been present elsewhere.
I'd like to see a Trek series focusing more of an anti-directive ship, trying to use Starfleet tech to save worlds against non-culturally-spawned threats and such- it's not like we haven't seen quote-unquote higher beings interfering- why not be a counter force to their actions in a karmatic way?
Memory wipe to cover up directive violation is kind of an unusually dark place for Trek to go. Though I'm curious as to the repercussions here that are unseen, still a Good Episode, though Not Essential.
Interesting bit of trivia- the little girl here is Nikki Cox.
Up next: 216: Q Who, 217: Samaritan Snare and 218: Up the Long Ladder.
Time Travel Log:
-TOS: All Our Yesterdays (2700 BC, Sarpedion Ice Age; NCC-1701 crew; from 2268)
-TOS: All Our Yesterdays (Undefined 17th Century-esque Sarpeidon; NCC-1701 crew; from 2268)
-TOS: The City on the Edge of Forever (1930: NCC-1701 crew; from 2267)
-TOS: Assignment Earth (1968: NCC-1701; from 2268)
-TOS: Tommorow is Yesterday (1969: NCC-1701; from 2267)
-ST4: The Voyage Home (1986: The Bounty crew, formerly of NCC-1701; from 2286)
-TOS: The Tholian Web (2154 (Mirror Universe): NCC-1764 Defiant; from 2268)
-TOS: The Naked Time (2266: NCC-1701 goes back in time 3 days; from 2266)
-TNG: Time Squared (2365: Picard goes 6 hours into the past; from 2365)
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Will break pattern to give this one it's own update, and to facilitate the remaining episodes to contninue being addressed in blocks of 3.
216: Q Who:
-Premise: Refused a position on board the Enterprise by Captain Picard, Q throws the ship into uncharted space where it encounters and is engaged by a vessel of a previously unknown species: the Borg. When the vessel instantly and effortlessly overwhelms the Enterprise, Picard realizes that the Federation may not be as ready for the future as he thought.
-T2Q Comments: So, here we are- what they've been trying to do on this show for a season and a half; that being introducing a new enemy that could be taken as a serious threat and which couldn't b easily defeated or reasoned with. They failed, twice, with the Ferengi, then were unable to go with the Conspiracy insects, then we got a new setup in The Neutral Zone, but then the subsequent two episodes were altered from their original plan of introducing said enemy, until, now, we have the Borg. Inspired in design (as the insect approahc was too costly) from HR. Giger and Lord Dread from Captain Power (the first of several JMS "inspirations" for Trek), we have cyborgs.
Tge opening spilled coffee bit is a bit overplayed, though it seems Sonya Gomez was intended to be a recurring comedic character but dropped after just two episodes (I suspect Barclay fills this role down the road).
We get an elevation of the mystery surrounding Guinan, and the return of Q.
Q: "Ah, the redoubtable Commander Riker- and Micro-Brain! Growl for me, let me know that you still care." 
The build up to the "Q snap" is great and the event itself is quite effective- though slightly less so now that I know it's a reused effect from an earlier non-Q episode, still, I'll ignore that episode.
If she can see the cube out the ten forward window- why does she need to view it on a screen in her office?
"Mr. Worf?" "Ensign", yes, this will work. I like how the one drone salvages certain components from the dead one- not something we really see again. The slicing beam is also something we don't see much of again. They're trying to attack the source of the tractor beam, but they fire at three different, completely wrong, places before they actually fire at it.
The music is above average for the series- coincidentally the same composer as The Neutral Zone and Best of Both Worlds.
"They will be coming." Indeed.
Interesting that Guinan speculates it may one day be possible for the Federation, after it develops enough, to establish a relationship with the Borg- though this seems contradictory to their future appearances, I can't help but think that, by the end of Voyager, with the potential behind the future weapons and Janeway's experiences, the Federation might be a lot closer to doing so than we would think. But I'm getting ahead of myself.
Verdict: As if there's any question about it, this one is Definitely Essential and a damn good episode to boot. Let's face it- this sets the ground for The Best of Both Worlds, without which TNG would not have lasted as long as it did or have been as influential. The Borg saved Star Trek (the first of several times, until Voyager ran them into the ground), and it started here.
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217: Samaritan Snare:
-Premise: Picard must undergo a serious medical procedure while the Enterprise-D deals with a Pakled ship, which lures the Enterprise away in hopes of stealing its technology.
-T2Q Comments: These Pakleds are annoying. "Where women are involved, I am in complete control" uh- are we forgetting Ms. Shapeshifter making you unable to work?
Stewart's performance as he tells this story is quite good, and sets up events of Tapestry later on.
The Geordi situation seems to start off kinda-bad and develops into being a little interesting- at about the same time the Picard plotline becomes uninteresting in the seemingly unneeded surgery complications, though perhaps that's an illusion when the Pakleds are not engaged in long sentences...
The problem here is there's never any question that the Enterprise crew would be able to outsmart these guys, however there is an interesting concept here of a lesser advanced race stealing technology to accelerate their path up the tech tree- would be very cool if there was a species with non-malacious-intent living within contact of the Federation trying to do the same thing- as it'd be a very human trait to try and do so, ala Stargate.
Potentialy Essential (for setting up Picard's history and his heart), But Not Neccesarily Good
218: Up the Long Ladder:
-Premise: The Enterprise discovers two threatened colonies which must cooperate to survive.
-T2Q Comments: I think this is the first time we hear about the 22nd century upheavals/World War III, info that would later be used in other shows.
Pulaski seems more reckless than usual, quickly jumping into drinking the poisoned tea for poetry- though I must say I'm finding her enthusiasm for learning new things somewhat endearing as it's not a trait I recall Crusher expressing. Also, the Worf measles subplot that starts the episode HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REST OF THE EPISODE.
Yay, farm animals and unadvanced farmers beamed aboard- hilarity must ensue! Oh, it's not a Gene Roddenberry Star Trek show without Irish stereotypes.
"What if I had been under that thing?" "You would have been standing in the fire." "Sometimes, Number One, you just have to bow to the absurd."
The Riker/daughter thing is eyerollingly bad- ugh, as is the cartoonish facial expressions when the Irish guy drinks the klingon stuff.
Some brilliant 4-way conversation here: "clones?" "clones..." wait for it... "clones."
Clone degradation situation's solution seems pretty obvious right away- the episode may now initiate autopilot, Warp 5- engage.
Geordi suddenly becomes part of this episode 3/4ths the way through...and a nice, Irish polygamist happy ending for all.
Besides the bad romance, telegraphed by-the-numbers plot and racial/cultural stereotypes, this is just a very schizo episode with the Worf and Riker subplots going nowhere and Geordi tossed in at random. Goodbye, episode. Forgettable.
219: Manhunt:
-Premise: Lwaxana Troi arrives on the Enterprise, intent on finding a husband.
T2Q Comments: Formal dress uniform skirts still not a good idea. Looks like they spent the budget on the alien makeup and left nothing for costumes. Oh well, why not use a shower curtain? "What a handsome race" Dorn sells the line.
...and Deanna's mom is back, yay...
Apparently the only way to make the dress uniform look goofier is to carry something heavy. It seems the only person enjoying the notion "midlife" here is Riker.
Return to Dixon Hill holodeck a nice throwback, as is Data's (amusingly enthusiastic) return as Carlos from South America- though it seems out of character for Picard to go on about the effects of America's involvement in WW2 despite that he would know it'd look out of character for him to be speaking of the future.
Ack, talking and moving why being transported.
Despite the return of her mom and of the Dixon Hill holodeck, this is still a forgettable episode that doesn't even become a holodeck episode until more than halfway through.
Up next: 220: The Emissary, 221: Peak Performance and 222: Shades of Grey.
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Blimey I've missed a few, so best I catch up 
Time Squared
I don't really see the appeal in this one. The "other" Picard really doesn't look like Patrick. I've not seen this one for a while, and I don't really remember anything about it other than he shoots himself.
But on the plus side, we get the Omelette eating scene at the start which is pure gold. "Owan"
The Icarus Factor
Yawn. Another "I don't like my dad, but he's ok in the end" story. Ambo-Jitsu looks fun, but still, yawn.
Pen Pals
This seems to be a pooh-poohed episode but I do enjoy it. It's a good Data episode, plus we get Patrick on a horse. I love the brainstorming meeting in Picard's quarters. It's a shame we don't see more of that. "What a perfectly vicious little circle" is a great line, plus the whole "how far into this are we" references are nice. Yeah, this is a good episode.
Q Who
I didn't really "get" this episode when I saw it for the first time. But one memory of this episode is me winning a £10 bet stating that this episode was the fastest we ever saw the Enterprise go under its own power (Warp 9.8). It always bugged me how easily Picard seemed to forget the loss of 18 lives with the whole "Maybe he did us a favour after all" crap at the end. But after seeing what Voyager did to the Borg, it's nice to go back to this and see what they should be like.
It's not a brilliant episode, but after what Voyager did, it makes this a whole lot better than it was.
Samaritan Snare
I love this episode. Both stories are absolutely great, despite the Pakled's "it didn't work so you can go" resolution. Wonderfully followed up in Tapestry. Plus you get another wonderful Christopher Collins performance. Great fun
Up the Long Ladder
What a shame the last episode was followed up with this tripe. Even Worf's "You would be standing in the fire" line cannot save this pile of garbage. I have no more to say
Manhunt
Wonderful wonderful episode!! I love Lwaxana. I love Dixon Hill. I love the Riker/Troi stuff. A brilliant romp, with a nice appearance from Gowron (Those eyes still freak me out). Great great episode
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Mrs. Troi the Manhunter is always funny.
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