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The2ndQuest
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RE: To Boldly Go Where Many Geeks Have Gone Before: A Journey Through Star Trek (now on TOS Season 1
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Don't take my comments as a slant against all old sci-fi in general, in TOS's case, I think most of my complaints have been with the execution rather than the substance (though the latter is at fault at times as well).
>>Except the TOS was never about drama or romance. Kirk often falls for someone (or has someone fall for him), but it's more for the eye candy factor. That romance gets a couple of minutes of screentime, then its back to the Enterprise, which has been taken over by aliens and is about to blow up in two minutes! (or something of the likes)<<
But those few minutes that the grimace-inducing examples of drama or romance can very very distracting at the very least, and detrimental to the episode overall at worst.
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Darth-Stryphe
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I think most of my complaints have been with the execution rather than the substance (though the latter is at fault at times as well).
And in the case of the TOS, I gather you mean acting and directing styles?
But those few minutes that the grimace-inducing examples of drama or romance can very very distracting at the very least, and detrimental to the episode overall at worst.
Well, since I did see ST at a very young age, back then, even a good romance would make me grimace, so I've learned to tune it out when needed. Actually, I have found that essential in general for movie\TV. There are some really good movies out there with really bad romances. I guess it depends on the level of importance and screentime of the romance. For example, I had a hard time tuning it out in AOTC because it got a lot of screentime and was very important, In TOS, it was always secondary, so easy for me to ignore.
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>> And in the case of the TOS, I gather you mean acting and directing styles?<<
Primarily, yes- that and the cinematography choices. I don't fault the production values or FX- those I can be rather forgiving on, as they are just a means of telling a story, to paraphrase the Lucas of the 80's.
>>There are some really good movies out there with really bad romances. I guess it depends on the level of importance and screentime of the romance. For example, I had a hard time tuning it out in AOTC because it got a lot of screentime and was very important, In TOS, it was always secondary, so easy for me to ignore.<<
Fireplace scene ::shudder:: even my fan-edit efforts could only just abrely make that scene tolerable.
With TOS, I suppose it's harder for me to ignore because, even if it is secondary to the events surrounding it, it tends to get shoved right up front and center in the spotlight- worsened further by the aforementioned filming styles clicking in to give us soft-focus closeups with magicly appearing shadows over all but their eyes...
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Darth-Stryphe
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Primarily, yes- that and the cinematography choices. I don't fault the production values or FX- those I can be rather forgiving on, as they are just a means of telling a story, to paraphrase the Lucas of the 80's.
Well the acting and directly doesn't bother me, mostly (can be over the top, but there is some pretty bad acting in modern sci-fi. I love B5 despite some of the acting in it, not because of it). For the visual, yeah, those aren't as good as things today, but that also goes with TV, too. B5 may have better visuals than TOS, but Play Station 3 has better visuals than B5.
Now, there were a few episodes where planets unnecessarily look like Earth, like in Miri, and also in Return of the Arachons (or whatever), which, by the way, never explains why people go nuts for the "greater good". I hated how they dropped that sub-plot.
Fireplace scene ::shudder:: even my fan-edit efforts could only just abrely make that scene tolerable.
So, shall we review some more episodes? We've got 28 more seasons to go, you know 
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I'll be trying to watch the next batch next this coming week- had to try and clear up room on my Tivo this past week or two due to everything recorded during my vacation, so my viewing priorities were there
As for cinematography, again i'm not so much faulting the production values as I am the stylistic choices, wich grate on me more. And B5 actually had some pretty good photography- and was definitely realistic and consistant (in other words, no magic shadows in closeups, etc).
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You mean the soft focus on the close-up women shots? Yeah, that was not an uncommon technic for its era.
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I know, but it's still annoying. And it's not just the women- Kirk gets them pretty often too when he's trying to be smooth with the ladies. The additional "face shadow" effect affects pretty much everyone in closeup though, hehe.
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It's been a while since i watche any TOS, but here are my favorites, in no real order.
"BALANCE OF TERROR" (w)
"A TASTE OF ARMAGEDDON" (w)
"ERRAND OF MERCY" (W)
"THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER" (h)
"MIRROR, MIRROR" (h)
"THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE" (w)
OBSESSION (h)
"A PRIVATE LITTLE WAR" (w)
THE ENTERPRISE INCIDENT" (w)
THE THOLIAN WEB" (h)
REQUIEM FOR METHUSELAH" (h)
LET THAT BE YOUR LAST BATTLEFIELD" (h)
Basicaly my favorie TOS episdoes have to deal with cold war and human interet type episodes. Sure there were other good episodes, but these ones to me will always stick out.
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I think CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER was one of the best-written, most imaginative and
best acted/directed episodes in old school STAR TREK, possibly the best episode they
ever did. Written of course, by the ever obnoxious but talented Harlan Ellison.
Even Shatner was pretty good in that one.
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I'm with John. I give City a nomination for best ST episode ever.
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Agreed. Top notch scifi. My gut instincts would be to archive City on the Edge of Forever and Star Trek 2, the Wrath of Kahn, and then build a big bonfire for the rest of Trek, in its entirety...although a few other OS episodes are a fair amount of fun.
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City was a great episoed.
I liked star trek 6 as welll as 2.
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Jabbadabbado! Long time, no see (or so it seems).
Anyway, I thought the TOS movies were good, except for the fifth one.
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I would rank the original series movies in the following order. 6,2,4,3,5,1
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Still got one more episode to watch before I get the next entry posted, but in the meantime...
Original Trek Gets CG Makeover?
Now it seems they are actually offering an HDTV enhanced version of the original series with new state-of-the art CGI visual effects. The bulk of shows will "be as originally shot, with the new effects limited to the space sequences and the opening credits. In addition, some of the music is being redone".
I'm actually surprised it took them this long to do something like this- I would have thought some fan efforts would have accomplished this years ago, given how off-the-shelf software could come up with better effects than what's on the show.
Though the poor FX are one of the few aged things that doesn't really bother me at all about the series- can they CGI the acting, plot or cinematography? 
The changing of the music surprises me a bit- as while rewatching Star Trek 3 a couple months ago, the thought crossed my mind of how it'd be great if they took that film's rendition of TOS's theme and used it to replace the existing cheesier one so all the Treks (well, shy Enterprise, ::sigh:: ) would have a more consistant grouping of title music themes.
Ah well, at least the original Enterprise might finally look as impressive or as advanced on it's own show as the Defiant did on Enterprise.
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