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darth_frared
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8/21/06 9:19am
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Dr Kubrick: Or How I Learned To Direct Cult Cinema: "Paths of Glory" is due to start on TCM
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Zaz
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we shall celebrate His Obsessiveness! yes, here!
we shall celebrate His geekiness!
His Perfectionism!
all of that.
tell me how much you like or hate him or whatever, and then we'll go and discuss all the early movies and documentaries which no one has ever seen 
btw, in case you care, i do love him no end (i even watched the stuff that is hideously boring just to get closer to his genius) and i shall defend his every choice until the day i die and beyond actually 
oh, title courtesy of the boogie man 
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Zaz
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8/21/06 12:37pm
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Excellent idea for a thread. Are you going to do film by film, because Kubrick is one of those directors with a definite career arc.
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darth_frared
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thanks  the boogie man made me do it as repentance for not having watched dr strangelove so far.
oh, yes, film by film is best, although i hate chronological approaches usually. but there aren't so many he's made, so it seems sensible. 
i tentatively checked on his filmography and he apparently started out doing documentaries. oh well.
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Rogue1-and-a-half
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I definitely look forward to this thread continuing. Significant figure and worthy of discussion for sure.
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darth_frared
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praise from two resident movie nuts for my taste ain't so bad actually
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There's an arc. I happen to think he's made more than a few mistakes.
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JohnWesleyDowney
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There's an arc. I happen to think he's made more than a few mistakes.
Jack Nicholson said to Kubrick during the filming of THE SHINING, "Stanley,
just because you're a perfectionist, doesn't mean you're perfect."
I think Nicholson is one of the few people who could get away with that.
I've loved Kubrick's films since I was a kid, and I'm a huge, huge fan.
I think after Hitchcock, Kubrick was the first "celebrity director" that
I really became aware of, mainly because of all the hoopla surrounding 2001.
I saw 2001 more than 30 times in the theatre, on the big, big, big screen.
Most of the adults, I remember, couldn't make heads nor tails of it. But
I could...because as a very young geek, I had read Clarke's novel.
I shall watch this career thread with great interest.
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Zaz
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Kubrick's early stuff is quite hard to see.
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TheBoogieMan
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8/22/06 3:37am
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Good work, frared. Also, brilliant title. I wonder who thought of that?
Has anyone seen the recent Colour Me Kubrick with John Malkovich? It's a bit strange, and in a not-necessarily-good-strange, but it's certainly a great homage to the director.
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darth_frared
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Zaz posted:
Kubrick's early stuff is quite hard to see.
as in having to squint?
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Zaz
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As in finding it...
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JohnWesleyDowney
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I heard Kubrick bought up as many copies as he could of some of his earlier fiction films,(though not the documentaries), because he felt they were amateur embarassments. He did everything he could to stop any kind of distribution or showings at festivals, that kind of thing. This is long after he'd grown into a world-class filmmaker,
he realized he didn't want people to see some of his "learning on the job" experience.
These early works of his were made in the early to mid fifties and there was no such thing as film school and I don't know if the term "indie filmmaker" even existed then.
I can see why he bought up the copies, too. One movie he could not control was KILLER'S KISS. They recently showed KILLER'S KISS on TCM and it was the first time I'd ever watched it all the way through.
It definitely has some of the Kubrick hallmarks and quality of things to come, particularly in the photography and visuals, but the writing and performances are definitely below par.
He was 27, and had no budget, no name actors, it was more a learning experience.
He also was unable to record sync sound on the set, meaning the entire picture had to be dubbed, and that definitely did not help matters. Inexperienced director + inexperienced actors = recipe for disaster.
But we all live and learn, and Kubrick learned from his mistakes.
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JohnWesleyDowney posted:
I heard Kubrick bought up as many copies as he could of some of his earlier fiction films,(though not the documentaries), because he felt they were amateur embarassments. He did everything he could to stop any kind of distribution or showings at festivals, that kind of thing. This is long after he'd grown into a world-class filmmaker,
he realized he didn't want people to see some of his "learning on the job" experience.
These early works of his were made in the early to mid fifties and there was no such thing as film school and I don't know if the term "indie filmmaker" even existed then.
I can see why he bought up the copies, too. One movie he could not control was KILLER'S KISS. They recently showed KILLER'S KISS on TCM and it was the first time I'd ever watched it all the way through.
It definitely has some of the Kubrick hallmarks and quality of things to come, particularly in the photography and visuals, but the writing and performances are definitely below par.
He was 27, and had no budget, no name actors, it was more a learning experience.
He also was unable to record sync sound on the set, meaning the entire picture had to be dubbed, and that definitely did not help matters. Inexperienced director + inexperienced actors = recipe for disaster.
But we all live and learn, and Kubrick learned from his mistakes.
Having seen all of Full Metal Jacket, I'm going to take that with a grain of Salt.
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Killer's Kiss isn't all that great, but his very next film (which was released only a year later), The Killing, was very good.
From then on, it was leaps and bounds, man.
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Having seen all of Full Metal Jacket, I'm going to take that with a grain of Salt.
We're talking about two different things.
If we watch the two films, you'll understand the difference in the level of professionalism I'm talking about. I'm not talking about issues of the story or whether you liked the movie.
I'm talking not even fully understanding the craft of filmmaking. At 27, he had virtually no experience, no budget, and no professionals around him. Decades later, when he made film for Warner Brothers, he had big budgets, known, seasoned actors, and many films under his belt.
No less an expert on filmmaking than Steven Spielberg said no one else ever had a better understanding of how to craft a film than Stanley Kubrick. He's talking about from a production standpoint.
I think Mr. Spielberg's word is good enough for me.
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Kubrick is a master at crafting a film, for sure. His eye is brilliant; so is his ear. His movie are always meticulous and beautifully crafted.
It's caring about the people that are in them that gets difficult the longer he works.
I'd take The Killers over Clockwork Orange anyday. Why? Because I actually care about the people in The Killers.
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