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JohnWesleyDowney
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11/15/07 4:50pm
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RE: Dr Kubrick: Or How I Learned To Direct Cult Cinema: Now Disc: "Eyes Wide Shut"
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For those who want to check it out, here is Rob Ager's in depth analysis of
Eyes Wide Shut, I recommend the lengthy text version over the videos. Food
for thought. Rob has many interesting reviews of films on his site where he looks at
the deeper psychological aspects of films.
http://www.collativelearning.com/EYES%20WIDE%20SHUT%20analysis.html
As much as I love Kubrick, I think it's good he didn't direct AI. If he
had it would have taken 15 years to finish. With all the flexibility that
digital efx gives a movie maker, he would have driven the ILM artists insane
with endless revisions. Spielberg had over 900 fax pages of notes and advice
on Kubrick's intentions, all of the artwork, all of the script versions to
work from, so I think he got an approximate version of what Kubrick wanted.
Kubrick finally came to realize that Steven was more in sync with the script
anyway. I think if Spielberg the director had tried to make it when Kubrick
was alive, that Kubrick the producer would have annoyed Spielberg to no end
on the set with suggestions.
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StarDude
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11/15/07 9:15pm
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I realize that this doesn't really relate to Eyes Wide Shut, but Kubrick essentially GAVE Spielberg A.I., who to this day says he wish Kubrick had made instead of him. Kubrick was humble enough to admit that Spielberg's sensibilities were closer to it than his own.
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Zaz
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12/4/07 10:50am
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RE: Dr Kubrick: Or How I Learned To Direct Cult Cinema: Now Disc: "Eyes Wide Shut"
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I wish Kubrick had kept it, too.
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darth_frared
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12/4/07 12:56pm
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JohnWesleyDowney posted:
For those who want to check it out, here is Rob Ager's in depth analysis of
Eyes Wide Shut, I recommend the lengthy text version over the videos. Food
for thought. Rob has many interesting reviews of films on his site where he looks at
the deeper psychological aspects of films.
http://www.collativelearning.com/EYES%20WIDE%20SHUT%20analysis.html
As much as I love Kubrick, I think it's good he didn't direct AI. If he
had it would have taken 15 years to finish. With all the flexibility that
digital efx gives a movie maker, he would have driven the ILM artists insane
with endless revisions. Spielberg had over 900 fax pages of notes and advice
on Kubrick's intentions, all of the artwork, all of the script versions to
work from, so I think he got an approximate version of what Kubrick wanted.
Kubrick finally came to realize that Steven was more in sync with the script
anyway. I think if Spielberg the director had tried to make it when Kubrick
was alive, that Kubrick the producer would have annoyed Spielberg to no end
on the set with suggestions.
ha! i actually read that and thought it was well enlightening. thanks a lot!
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General_Dodonna
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12/4/07 4:15pm
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A.I. is actually a pretty interesting beast. I've posted enough about it, to the point where I'm quite bored of defending my position on it. That said, Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote a great review of the film where he tries to reconcile the two disparate elements of the picture (Kubrick/Spielberg):
http://www.chicagoreader.com/movies/archives/2001/0107/010713.html
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Erk
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12/5/07 4:10am
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The thing is with AI is you'd prefer Kubrik directing anything to Spielberg except maybe Indiana Jones (1). Still even if there's a slight percentage of kubrick in something it kind of deserves to be put out. And Spielberg certainly didn't make it unwatchable.
Had Cruise gone mad yet when they made Eyes wide shut? Because I remembered him as quite alright but then I saw Manns taxi film and cruise made me stop after only 5 minutes or so with him.
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Zaz
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12/18/07 4:23pm
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There's a new Kubrick DVD set out. Anybody got it?
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-deeperfasterharder-
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12/18/07 4:43pm
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My brother has it. Some of the added features are cool (the material for A Clockwork Orange specifically). I learned that Keir Dullea is an annoying dweeb.
I'm a bit puzzled by the omissions of Lolita, Dr. Strangelove and Barry Lyndon, and by the oddly inconsistent artwork and packaging. Seems like a bit of a rush job.
Still, if you don't already own the first Kubrick set, this would be a good purchase.
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StarDude
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12/18/07 4:49pm
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What if you own SOME of the DVDs in the first collection (2001, The Shining, Full Metal Jacket) but don't own the others in the new collection (A Clockwork Orange, Eyes Wide Shut)? Would it still be a good buy?
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General_Dodonna
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I don't own it, but it has both some major positives and negatives.
Negatives:
- The absence of a newly restored transfer of BARRY LYNDON is troubling. I consider it Kubrick's greatest film and its absence in this set worries me that it won't pop up anytime soon in a new transfer, HD or otherwise.
- No options for aspect ratio. Kubrick shot all of his films open matte so that he could release them in 1:33 for home video release. While it's nice that most of them are now available in their original theatrical aspect ratio, it would've been nice if Warners could have also provided us with the original 1:33 versions, which, as open matting would indicate, are not pan and scan.
The first is a major issue for me, but the second is only nitpicky.
The positives:
+ Massively improved transfers in a few cases, particularly with 2001.
+ The supplements are quite nice.
+ EYES WIDE SHUT uncut version.
All in all, if you're a big Kubrick fan and you don't care that LOLITA and BARRY LYNDON are not included in this set, it's definitely a worthwhile pickup.
"I'm a bit puzzled by the omissions of Lolita, Dr. Strangelove and Barry Lyndon, and by the oddly inconsistent artwork and packaging."
In the case of STRANGELOVE, that film is a Columbia title and would have to have its rights loaned to Warners for this release. That, of course, wasn't going to happen.
"What if you own SOME of the DVDs in the first collection (2001, The Shining, Full Metal Jacket) but don't own the others in the new collection (A Clockwork Orange, Eyes Wide Shut)? Would it still be a good buy?"
Ditch your old discs for this, especially if you own a widescreen television. All the films are now available in their original aspect ratios, and the transfers of all three of those films are very much improved with this new release. Also, this version of EYES WIDE SHUT is uncut. On the whole, it's a very worthwhile release for you.
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12/19/07 11:17am
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General_Dodonna posted:
- The absence of a newly restored transfer of BARRY LYNDON is troubling. I consider it Kubrick's greatest film and its absence in this set worries me that it won't pop up anytime soon in a new transfer, HD or otherwise.
Agreed. What is with this omission?
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-G-O-A-T- posted:
General_Dodonna posted:
- The absence of a newly restored transfer of BARRY LYNDON is troubling. I consider it Kubrick's greatest film and its absence in this set worries me that it won't pop up anytime soon in a new transfer, HD or otherwise.
Agreed. What is with this omission?
Dunno. I'll dig up Kubes tomorrow and demand he explain to me how he could let this happen.
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General_Dodonna
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"Agreed. What is with this omission?"
Well, the DVD divisions of the major studios are pretty stupid, so I wouldn't put anything past them. And if they're anything like their theatrical/non-theatrical divisions, they're also utterly incompetent.
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Zaz
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Anybody get this for Christmas?
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darth_frared
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i didn't. my friend got all twin peaks seasons tho, if that makes any difference 
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