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The Trailer Park: "Quantum of Solace"
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master_organa
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Date Posted:
9/21/06 4:04pm
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RE: The Trailer Park
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If you want to see a truly amazing trailer, watch the one for the Fountain.
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weezer
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Date Posted:
9/21/06 4:11pm
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JohnWesleyDowney posted:
I personaly fail to see how "Man of the Year" or "Children of Man" are "cliff notes" versions of the movie. Thats what the movies are about. Him actually become president or Owen protecting the unborn child aren't major twists to be protected its what the movie is about.
Well, since the movies aren't out yet, we can't absolutely know for sure if they revealed too much. But for me, it was too much and I'm entitled to my reaction. The purpose of a trailer is to get me to buy a movie ticket and they persuaded me to do the OPPOSITE and not buy a ticket, so they lost my business. That counts as a failure.
YMMV
Sure we can. Thats the plot of the movies. Thats what they're about. That would be like saying that showing the Titanic sink in the trailer for that movie ruined that entire movie.
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JohnWesleyDowney
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Date Posted:
9/21/06 4:17pm
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You're not playing fair Weezer. TITANIC is a based on a historical event known the world over. Everyone knows the boat sank, and you could put that in the trailer, but not everyone knew how Rose got off the boat and lived to tell her story. In that case, you could reveal events already universally known, but you wouldn't want the particulars of your character's destiny's revealed.
As I said before, YMMV.
Look, this is simple. You don't reveal the whole plot of your film. It's bad form.
For example, if they had released trailers revealing that Bruce Willis is DEAD for
95% of the film THE SIXTH SENSE, and that is CERTAINLY a big part of the plot, do you think that movie would have had the same impact? Of course not. That revelation is what got people buzzing and made the film a success. And they were smart enough to save that for paying filmgoers, not put it in the trailer. Fair enough?
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weezer
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Date Posted:
9/21/06 4:27pm
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RE: The Trailer Park
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weezer
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I have no idea what that means.
I just assumed it was your manual sig.
And yes its an extreme example but it really is the same thing. If they just left out the pregnant woman they'd be leaving out what the movie is about. Then you'd be complaining about how misleading trailers have gotten these days. I'm not saying that there aren't examples of bad trailers out there. I'm just saying that these aren't good examples to prove your point either.
Edit: They aren't revealing the whole movie. They're telling you what its about. You can hardly compare a "twist" to telling you what the movie is about. What you are saying is that they shouldn't tell me that there are aliens in Alien because they should save the surprise for when the aliens show up. 
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JohnWesleyDowney
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Date Posted:
9/21/06 4:55pm
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RE: The Trailer Park
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What you are saying is that they shouldn't tell me that there are aliens in Alien because they should save the surprise for when the aliens show up.
That is absolutely NOT what I am saying and STOP putting words in my mouth.
You're repeatedly twisting what I'm saying to idiotic levels and then ignoring
my responses.
That's utterly ridiculous. If the NAME of the movie is ALIEN(S) it's obviously
likely to have aliens in it.
For your information, YMMV stands for YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY.
It's a polite, respectful way of saying, "you're entitled to
your opinion and I'm entitled to mine and let's agree to disagree."
It's intended to be diplomatic and cordial, but with some people,
it doesn't take. I'm amazed you didn't know what it means, since
you seem to think you know EVERYTHING!!!! 
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Zaz
Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre
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Date Posted:
9/21/06 5:03pm
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As soon as we get to 'stop putting words in my mouth', we're in trouble. This conversation ends *here*. Agree to disagree, gentlemen, if you please.
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weezer
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Date Posted:
9/21/06 5:21pm
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I'm not putting words in your mouth though I am presenting rather extreme examples. I should of used SoaP without showing any snakes or planes, but I didn't think about that until it was too late 
The reason for the extreme examples is simply to show that there is a certain catch-22 here. You have to work with what you have. Not all of these are great movies that you, I, or anyone else is going to rush out an see so you do have to show something of it or there is no point in having a marketing campaigne behind it at all. Film buffs and the like might like to keep away from the "spoilers" but in most cases they only end up being spoilers because they already have the context to put it in. 99.9% of movie goers don't have that problem so the trailer has to appeal to the lcd (thats lowest common denominator).
And agree to disagree is an unstated agreement on any message board. 
Edit: I'll pull that last line since I didn't see Zaz's comment before my post. Though I did google YMMV so you are right about at least one thing
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Zaz
Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre
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Date Posted:
9/22/06 7:40am
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And...moving right along.
Pet Peeve: the trailer features a very funny joke. You see the movie and realize that it's the only funny joke in the entire movie.
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JohnWesleyDowney
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Date Posted:
9/25/06 11:29pm
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RE: The Trailer Park
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I know exactly what you mean, I've had that experience.
And I've seen trailers for comedies that weren't funny
for a minute and a half and I'm thinking to myself,
gee, if they can't even keep me smiling and laughing
for a minute or so, how can they do it for two hours?
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Zaz
Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre
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Date Posted:
9/26/06 12:24pm
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I find teaser trailers generally much more interesting and intriguing than formal ones.
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OBIX1
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Date Posted:
9/29/06 2:08pm
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Zaz posted:
And...moving right along.
Pet Peeve: the trailer features a very funny joke. You see the movie and realize that it's the only funny joke in the entire movie.
Yep, that's a pet peeve of mine too. A good example of that was that Tim Allen movie from years ago "Jungle 2 Jungle". The trailer was hilarious, and then I saw the movie, and realized that I had already seen the funny parts.
Also, another pet peeve of mine is when they feature a great joke in the trailer, and then it doesn't even make it to the final cut of the movie.
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Zaz
Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre
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Date Posted:
9/29/06 5:01pm
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That I hadn't heard of, but it indeed sucks...
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JohnWesleyDowney
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Date Posted:
10/9/06 7:26pm
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I saw the trailer for THE ILLUSIONIST (it's still available
on youtube) and it prompted me to see the film. After having
seen the film and greatly enjoyed it, I feel the trailer was
well-made and effective for the film it was trying to sell.
Here's why:
It introduced me to the main actors, Ed Norton and Paul Giamatti.
I like both of them. And they were both IN the movie, ALL the way
through. So I wasn't misled.
The trailer conveyed that a master magician was at the center of the
story and that there was a love story between the magician and a
beautiful woman and that there was a 3 way conflict involving the
leader of Austria.
The trailer addressed the most mysterious and intriguing concept
of the film which is "Is Ed Norton's character more than a magician,
but in fact, is so powerful that the things he does deal with the
world beyond, the realm of the supernatural?"
Finally the trailer used one of the film's most powerful exchange of lines
as it's final tag:
The Archduke "It's an Illusion."
The Police Commissioner, "Yes, but there is truth in this illusion."
That last line is really at the core of the story. After I saw
the movie and thought about the line later, I realized the Commissioner
was right. And not only was there truth in the illusion, there was justice.
Whoever put this trailer knew what they were doing, they set up
everything without giving away the film's surprises. They presented
the characters, the themes, the conflicts and enough mystery to make
you say, "hey, what's this all about?"
Great trailer, great movie, too.
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Zaz
Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre
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Date Posted:
10/9/06 9:21pm
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I saw that trailer and I thought it was a good one, too.
But the movie never opened chez nous.
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JohnWesleyDowney
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Date Posted:
10/9/06 9:44pm
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Yes, it didn't have as wide a release as most movies
with Ed Norton or Paul Giamatti. The producer, Bob
Yari, who made and financed CRASH, was unhappy with the
deal he was offered by Universal Studios, so he distributed
the film himself, therefore less theatres. He didn't have
the clout of a major studio to demand more screens/theatres.
Still, the film's made 35 million so far, and it's barely
been released outside of the U.S. It was cheap to make,
so it's already in profit.
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