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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/28 11:50pm Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989) - Date Edited: 6/28 11:51pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	The first half is a little choppy- the only edit I found majorly distracting is the cut from loud Batwing missle explosions to Vicky Vale. The rest isn't so bad for a bad-and-forth irony between quiet and actiony scenes. From the Batmobile onwards it's quite effective, especially towards the end with the laugh echoing over the Elfman music. Looking at it now, though, I'm also struck by how much it focuses on Batman using guns and weaponry- it wasn't weird when I was a kid because I didn't know the "Batman doesn't use guns" aspect of the character, but being aware of that now it's quite odd for a portrayal of the character. But..damn, if that Batmobile still isn't the coolest thing ever. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 6/29 7:30am Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	Well, they're grappling guns and such. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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Spiderfan Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/29 7:59am Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	Not a fan of this one either. Of course thats mostly because I am seeing it as an adult and wasn't aware of the build up to it that year (I was a kid far more swept up in the excitement waiting for Ghostbusters 2). Though to be fair my only frame of reference for Batman at the time was Adam West...not a ringing endorsement. :P It was a tough couple of months with Batman fans and Ninja Turtle fans mocking the lone Ghostbusters fan. -----signature----- Brain and Brain! What is Brain?!
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/29 10:56am Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	Merlin_Ambrosius69 posted: Well, they're grappling guns and such. Not all of em- you start off with him using the Batwing's gattling guns and missles, then shortly the Batmobile's machine guns, hubcap grenades and the (granted not fatal, but still potentially fatal) grappling cord being shot into the guy's neck. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 6/29 1:56pm Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	Oh yeah, that's true. Since they're not evidently fatal (and no one is actually shot with them), I think I always assumed they were dummy bullets or blanks, for the "shock-and-awe" effect Batman does so well. But granted, that's coming from someone who's been reading Batman comics since about 1974, and who knows in his heart and soul that Batman doesn't use a real gun (except, see the other Batman thread for discussion on this point), so I think I might have just assumed the bullets weren't real. The filmmakers, and audiences, might have been thinking something else altogether. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/29 2:10pm Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	The Batmobile definitely killed people in that movie. The batwing;s weapons were definitely real- Batman just missed his target somehow. And I doubt fake bullets would cut through steel doors -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 6/29 2:44pm Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	When does the Batmobile "kill people"? I must have blocked it out, or never noticed it despite many viewings, because I remember all the scenes very vividly, and I cannot recall a single on-screen death caused by Batman, until the third-act fight in the bell tower (in which villain deaths happen by dint of the location rather than specifically caused by Bats). -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Title: Moderator Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 6/29 2:54pm Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	Well, he does blow up the Joker's chemical factory. Some of the Joker's guards were definitely killed (they were standing around the grenade that was dropped), and there probably had to be workers in that factory, at least a couple. -----signature----- Angela Why so serious?
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 6/29 3:19pm Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	Well, it happens off-screen, so we don't know for certain, but yeah, the Batmobile drops the bombs, we cut away to a longshot of the factory, and the thing explodes. Presumably the thugs are killed, but the editing choices leave it up to us to decide if maybe the guards got away. It's a gray area, I grant you, and not very decisive filmmaking, IMO. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/29 5:26pm Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	I think it's pretty decisive, actually- the car goes into the center of the complex and drops at least 2 explosives capable of destroying almost the entire factory (or at least setting off a chain reaction of explosions via the chemicals inside the factory) at the feet of the guards. Remember, one of the points of the scene was Batman was trying to take out the Joker ("Junior Birdman- missed me!") so I doubt the Batmobile waited for the guards to get clear of the factory, as then the Joker could have as well. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Merlin_Ambrosius69 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 6/30 9:09am Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	That's fine, but film is a visual medium and this one doesn't show us the guards dying or being hit by the blast. I understand what you're saying, and technically you are probably correct, but still the movie gives the audience a choice as to whether we believe Batman killed all those guys, or if between the dropping of the bomb and the cutaway to the exterior shot, somehow the guards ran for safety. Before you call "baloney" on me, or say I'm being dense ("obtuse" as Andy from Shawshank would say, but I digress), let me point out two things: 1) This kind of jump happens in movies all the time; think Darth Maul touching down on Tatooine, with the platform out and Maul striding down it an instant after he lands), and 2) I've seen Tim Burton's Batman probably 30 times, and it never once occurred to me that Bats was dealing out death here. Not once... until you pointed it out. Maybe I am dense, or maybe I'm so inundated with the fictional certainty that Batman doesn't kill people (except Darkseid; again, see the other "Batman" thread) that I've got blinders on. Either way, the guards' deaths are not on celluloid, as we might expect them to have been in for example a Schwarzenenegger movie (think Commando) or a 007 flick, so I tend to think Burton was pulling some subversive sleight-of-hand here, flouting convention by not having the action hero slaughter bad guys on-screen. -----signature----- "Chance makes playthings of us all." -- Seneca Shameless non-Manager Emeritus sock of Vortigern99. Fan of George RR Martin, JK Rowling and JRR Tolkien.
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Spiderfan Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/30 9:30am Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	Merlin_Ambrosius69 posted: That's fine, but film is a visual medium and this one doesn't show us the guards dying or being hit by the blast. You don't have to see the bodies on the Death Star to know people died. -----signature----- Brain and Brain! What is Brain?!
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JohnWesleyDowney Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 6/30 6:34pm Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	One death Burton showed on camera that I'll never forget is when the Joker electrocutes one of the mob bosses with a hand buzzer and then has a conversation with the charred corpse. That one very graphic scene really showed the Joker as dangerous and insane. One thing I think makes the trailer interesting is that it included some of Danny Elfman's score. In so many trailers, the score isn't ready and they have to use a score from some other film. Batman Trailer 1989 Any other comments on the Batman trailer before I move on to the next one? -----signature----- Namaste.
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/30 8:07pm Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989) - Date Edited: 6/30 8:10pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	Where does he get those wonderful toys? I remember my cousin recounting to me, at the time, about his thoughts during that scene- how Batman whips out the gun in the Joker's face and he said he was like "Ah, he's going to shoot the Joker. Well, this'll be a short movie." then the sides flap out. "Oh, so he's going to shoot him with a crossbow." and the the zip line fires. "I guess he's jot going to shoot him at all." Obviously the Batman-doesn't-kill thing wasn't something registering to some kids in the age of Sly & Arnie -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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JohnWesleyDowney Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 7/1 7:59pm Subject: The Trailer Park: "Batman" (1989)
	25 years ago, out next trailer heralded the arrival of another iconic 80s film, this one a comedy. To me, trailers for comedies are different than other genres, how do you promote the film without giving away the best punchlines? So exactly who ARE you gonna call? Ghostbusters Trailer 1984 So what's your take on this one? Does it work? -----signature----- Namaste.
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