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Harry Potter Chapter by Chapter: the JKR-SVA court decision
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SoldYourSoul
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Sep '07
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Date Posted:
10/20/07 12:16pm
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RE: Harry Potter Chapter by Chapter: Book 7, What Would You Change?
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I was shocked enormously.
When I read the title, (which was something to the effect of "Rowling reveals HP character is gay") I was NOT expecting Dumbledore. Not in the slightest. I was expecting Sirius or Neville or something. Anyway, I wish she had put that in the book. It seems as if she finished the book and then decided to reveal info; like what happens to all the characters and this.
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Zaz
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10/20/07 12:33pm
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RE: Harry Potter Chapter by Chapter: Book 7, What Would You Change?
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If you didn't have suspicions after reading the descriptions of Grindelwald in DH, I have to say I did.
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Armenian_Jedi
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10/20/07 12:56pm
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Zaz posted:
If you didn't have suspicions after reading the descriptions of Grindelwald in DH, I have to say I did.
You've been talking about DH in this thread nonstop since the book came out... and yet I don't recall you ever mentioning that you thought dumbledore could be gay.
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Darth-Ghost
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10/20/07 1:11pm
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I sorta kinda half-thought it for a quick second, but then I thought it was just me and forgot about it until now!
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Zaz
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10/20/07 1:18pm
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Same here. It's a kid's book, after all.
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Hammurabi
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10/20/07 9:35pm
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Zaz posted:
Okay, then, what would you change?
Zaz asks the hard question!
Anyway, I've said it before and I'll say it again, but DH focuses too much on the fantasy/action sides of things (hallows and horcruxes) and not enough on the personal side. No new insight is offered on James, which is disappointing (especially considering we really don't know much about him anyway; Harry's dad has, by series end, become almost entirely trivial). The characters cease to evolve, except for Dumbledore. The romances are generally unconvincing (Harry/Ginny) or absent (as is the case with the entire staff of Hogwarts). I think it's a shame she left out the DD/GG romance - it adds a whole lot of depth to the character, and I loath the fact that she self-censored that portion of the book. The implication is still there, but I feel like there's plenty of things that Rowling should have put in DH but didn't. The basic problem is that we've got an overly complicated plot with Hallows and Horcruxes and whatnot, and in order to make the book a reasonable length we've got to cut out all the juicy bits.
And that's terrible.
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Zaz
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10/21/07 9:29am
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You sound rather like Rita Skeeter... 
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Hammurabi
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10/21/07 9:51am
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Damn, do I? 
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Zaz
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10/21/07 10:22am
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"Juicy bits?"
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waheennay
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10/21/07 10:50am
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I'll be honest. When I read about young Dumbledore and Grindelwald in Book 7, it did seem kind of gay to me! Now I know it was intentional! I mean, that letter Dumbledore wrote to him? He definitely sounded in love when you read it now.
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SoldYourSoul
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I went back to read, and I found this from Rita Skeeter's biography of Dumbledore:
"Educated at Durmstrang, a school famous even then for its unfortunate tolerance of the Dark Arts, Grindelwald showed himself quite as precociously brilliant as Dumbledore. Rather than channel his abilities into the attainment of awards and prizes, however, Gellert Grindelwald devoted himself to other pursuits. At sixteen years old, even Durmstrang felt it could no longer turn a blind eye to the twisted experiments of Gellert Grindelwald, and he was expelled."
I thought this referred to some evil things Grindelwald did, but was Rita implying homosexual or bicurious tendencies? Just a thought.
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darth_paul
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10/21/07 12:52pm
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I don't think so. The context of all that discussion makes it pretty clear that we're talking about Dark Magic there. I wouldn't look too heavily for a lot of coded references to homosexuality; I don't think they're going to be there. At most, it's something that's going to be informing what Dumbledore says, thinks, and does.
I don't tend to think it's particularly likely there was a physical relationship between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, and we also don't have any reason to think Grindelwald reciprocated Dumbledore's feelings, or to make any assumptions about his sexual orientation. With Voldemort, we get the impression that the rush of power is greater than the rush of sex, and I've never seen any sign that the Dark Lord is interested in women (or men) even as disposable pleasures; this could conceivably be something common to dark wizards, as the Dark Arts do seem to give a particular thrill of pleasure (something, incidentally, that I wish we'd seen more of as Harry started to use Unforgivable Curses).
Have you never had a friend, whether of the opposite or of the same sex, with whom you had a lot in common, with whom you thought up and said and did exciting things, with whom you really clicked, and to whom you became devoted to the point where it grows into love? That's what I'm envisioning here. In fact, the more I think about it, this really doesn't much change what I already thought about the Dumbledore/Grindelwald relationship. It was plain that there was a deep connection and affinity and a devotion of a sort there; that it grew to be love really hardly changes things.
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George_Roper
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SoldYourSoul posted:
I went back to read, and I found this from Rita Skeeter's biography of Dumbledore:
"Educated at Durmstrang, a school famous even then for its unfortunate tolerance of the Dark Arts, Grindelwald showed himself quite as precociously brilliant as Dumbledore. Rather than channel his abilities into the attainment of awards and prizes, however, Gellert Grindelwald devoted himself to other pursuits. At sixteen years old, even Durmstrang felt it could no longer turn a blind eye to the twisted experiments of Gellert Grindelwald, and he was expelled."
I thought this referred to some evil things Grindelwald did, but was Rita implying homosexual or bicurious tendencies? Just a thought.
Is Grindelwald even gay? Rowling just said that DD fancied him, didn't she?
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Mar17swgirl
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10/21/07 4:53pm
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Dangit, paul, NIAWYC once again... 
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darth_paul
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10/21/07 4:58pm
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Mar17swgirl posted:
Dangit, paul, NIAWYC once again...
I told you. 
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