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TheBoogieMan
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11/6/07 8:19pm
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Zaz posted:
There are only 7 copies, one of which will be auctioned for charity.
That woman has an unnatural obsession with the number seven.
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Zaz
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11/16/07 8:10am
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The lucky number.
I think I will reread this thread to see how often I was misled; which was fairly often, now that I think about it.
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Zaz
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12/8/07 1:29pm
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Here's Rowling on the Voldemort AKs Harry Scene:
"Section: F.A.Q.
(SPOILER WARNING)
What exactly happened when Voldemort used the Avada Kedavra curse on Harry in the forest?
Again, Voldemort violated deep laws of magic he did not understand, but there is more to it than that.
Having taken Harry’s blood into himself, Voldemort is keeping alive Lily’s protective power over Harry. So Voldemort himself acts almost like a Horcrux for Harry – except that the power of Lily’s sacrifice is a positive force that not only continues to tether Harry to life, but gives Voldemort himself one last chance (Dumbledore refers to this last hope in chapter 35). Voldemort has unwittingly put a few drops of goodness back inside himself; if he had repented, he could have been healed more deeply than anyone would have supposed. But, of course, he refused to feel remorse.
Voldemort is also using the Elder Wand - the wand that is really Harry’s. It does not work properly against its true owner; no curse Voldemort casts on Harry functions properly; neither the Cruciatus curse nor the Killing Curse. The Avada Kedavra curse, however, is so powerful that it does hurt Harry, and also succeeds in killing the part of him that is not truly him, in other words, the fragment of Voldemort’s own soul still clinging to his. The curse also disables Harry severely enough that he could have succumbed to death if he had chosen that path (again, Dumbledore says he has a choice whether or not to wake up). But Harry does decide to struggle back to consciousness, capitalises on Lily’s ‘escape route’, and pulls himself back to the realm of the living.
It is important to state that I always saw these kinds of magic (the very deepest life and death issues) as essentially un-scientific; in other words, there is no “Elder Wand + Lily’s Blood = Assured Survival” formula. What count, ultimately, are Harry and Voldemort’s own choices. They have each been given certain weapons and safeguards, but the power of these objects and past happenings lie in how they are understood, and how they are used or enacted upon. Harry has a deeper and truer understanding of the meaning of the objects and past events, but his greatest powers, those that save him, are free will, courage and moral certainty."
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TheBoogieMan
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Very interesting.
JKRowling posted:
free will, courage and moral certainty.
Has she talked about the Christian parallels yet?
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Dezdmona
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12/8/07 8:59pm
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Awesome. Free will rules.
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Zaz
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12/9/07 10:24am
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I think I (finally!) understand it. I was expecting a mathematical equation, and it fact there is none.
But: she also says that the Elder Wand has a core of a Threstral mane, and the owner should therefore not be afraid of death.
Is this a description of Draco Malfoy? (It is a description of both Dumbledore and Snape, however)
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Darth-Ghost
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12/9/07 10:34am
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I like what she said about the family visits to cousin Dudley, and how Harry's kids dread it!
The Elder Wand
I decided that the core of the Elder Wand is the tail hair of a Thestral; a powerful and tricky substance that can be mastered only by a witch or wizard capable of facing death.
It doesn't say not being afraid of death, just capable of facing it. Maybe that's how Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald, because he never 100% mastered it.
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Zaz
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RE: Harry Potter Chapter by Chapter: Rowling's Explanation of King's Cross
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Good point, and I suppose that the wand wouldn't have worked properly for Draco, either.
However, if Snape had become its master...?
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Darth-Ghost
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Snape didn't let his fear of death overcome him, as we know he played his part to the end in deceiving Voldemort. He would have mastered the Elder Wand.
Slightly changing the subject, I'll go back to an old list of unanswered questions I made when I finished reading the book. I had about 40, but all the answers she's given in the last few months have narrowed them down some more:
1.) Does anybody think Grindelwald or Wormtail really redeemed themselves before they died?
2.) Do the House-Elves, Centaurs, Goblins, and Giants ever become treated as equals with the witches and wizards?
3.) Who did Draco marry?
4.) Did Crabbe's fire destroy the Room of Requirement?
5.) Are Sirius' and Regulus' names ever cleared?
6.) What happens to Fudge and Umbridge?
7.) How did Lily eventually fall in love with James?
8.) Does Harry ever get along with Petunia and Vernon?
9.) What happens to McGonagall, Sprout, Flitwick, Slughorn, Trelawney, and the other teachers?
10.) Was the Crookshanks the Potter's cat, which Lily mentioned in her letter?
11.) Did the Veil lead to the place Harry and Dumbledore were after Harry "died"?
12.) Did they ever decide to give the Triwizard Tournament another try?
13.) Whatever happened to the Mirror of Erised?
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Zaz
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RE: Harry Potter Chapter by Chapter: Rowling's Explanation of King's Cross
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1.) Does anybody think Grindelwald or Wormtail really redeemed themselves before they died?
Dumbledore seemed to think so in the case of the former. Wormtail not so much.
2.) Do the House-Elves, Centaurs, Goblins, and Giants ever become treated as equals with the witches and wizards?
Apparently, when Shacklebolt becomes Minister, changes are made.
3.) Who did Draco marry?
Doesn't specify.
4.) Did Crabbe's fire destroy the Room of Requirement?
Don't know. It destroyed the contents for sure.
5.) Are Sirius' and Regulus' names ever cleared?
I think so.
6.) What happens to Fudge and Umbridge?
Umbridge is convicted and sent to Azkaban, I think. Don't know about Fudge.
7.) How did Lily eventually fall in love with James?
Don't know about that.
8.) Does Harry ever get along with Petunia and Vernon?
No, but he establishes peace with Dudley.
9.) What happens to McGonagall, Sprout, Flitwick, Slughorn, Trelawney, and the other teachers?
McGonagall becomes Headmistress, but is retired at the time of the Epilogue, as is Sprout, because Neville is teaching Herbology.
10.) Was the Crookshanks the Potter's cat, which Lily mentioned in her letter?
Don't know.
11.) Did the Veil lead to the place Harry and Dumbledore were after Harry "died"?
Don't know.
12.) Did they ever decide to give the Triwizard Tournament another try?
Don't know.
13.) Whatever happened to the Mirror of Erised?
Don't know.
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yankee8255
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Date Posted:
12/10/07 7:03am
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1.) Does anybody think Grindelwald or Wormtail really redeemed themselves before they died?
The former seems to have, to a degree, in that he resisted Voldemort. Wormtail, on the other hand, had a slight pang of guilt that allowed Harry to escape, but I would hardly call that redemption
3.) Who did Draco marry?
No idea, but I'd bet the house that she was a pure-blood.
4.) Did Crabbe's fire destroy the Room of Requirement?
Very good question. Someone must have put out the fire at some point, or else I'd think the castle wouldn't be standing by the end of the book. Maybe someone went to the door knowing of the fire, opened the door and found several thousand gallons of water.
5.) Are Sirius' and Regulus' names ever cleared?
Sirius I would assume so. Regulus? Not so sure.
6.) What happens to Fudge and Umbridge?
I''ll take Zaz's word on Umbridge. For Fudge, do we even know what happened to him in DH?
7.) How did Lily eventually fall in love with James?
Still a big mystery. I'm guessing being head boy and girl gave them enough quality time together for her to get to know "the real James".
9.) What happens to McGonagall, Sprout, Flitwick, Slughorn, Trelawney, and the other teachers?
Not even sure McGonegal becomes Headmistress -- the JKR quotes I saw seemed to indicate that she never does, and someone younger is appointed right after the defeat of Voldemort.
10.) Was the Crookshanks the Potter's cat, which Lily mentioned in her letter?
I don't think so. I was thinking the same thing whenI read DH.
Zaz, IIRC, we never did go through the questions you had thought up in the lead-up to DH. We started, but then switched to DH CbyC right away. Interested in going back to those?
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Zaz
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12/10/07 8:22am
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I had forgotten those...sure we can go back...
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Dezdmona
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TheBoogieMan posted:
Has she talked about the Christian parallels yet?
'Harry Potter' Author J.K. Rowling Opens Up About Books' Christian Imagery
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Zaz
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Date Posted:
12/12/07 6:11am
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The Christian imagery is pretty obvious.
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Dezdmona
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12/12/07 9:20am
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Zaz posted:
The Christian imagery is pretty obvious.
Yes and a lot of people have commented on it since DH's publication.
I know there was another article I saw closer to when DH was published that had some JKR quotes in it, but I can't find it now.
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