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yankee8255
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12/17/07 4:47am
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RE: Harry Potter Chapter by Chapter: Tales of Beedle the Bard
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I'm almost done rereading, really loving it, almost more than the first time. I think it's my favorite of the series because of the incredible tension and suspense maintained from page 1 until the end.
One question still keeps bugging me, though: how was DD able to defeat Grindelwald? All the other "defeats" of the Elder Wand holders seem to have to do with "sneak attacks", ie killing the holder in his sleep or as they land on the highest tower of Hogwarts. Yet the DD-Grindelwald seems to be a straight up duel, no tricks. Is it just because of Grindelwald's "bad intentions"?
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yankee8255
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12/17/07 11:43pm
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OK, don't everyone answer at once! 
Actually, I think I found what I was looking for last night: At King's Cross, DD briefly describes his victory over GG. He refers to his wanting the wand to stop GG and not to use it for himself, as if this is may have cause the wand to not work fully for GG. That concept really isn't mentioned anywhere else (especially not by Ollivander), so it's a bit sketchy, if you ask me, but probably is the only explanation that really works.
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Darth-Ghost
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12/18/07 1:33pm
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Somewhere above, talking about what she mentioned about the Elder Wand on her site, JKR said that you can only truly master the Elder Wand if you can overcome your fear of death. So maybe Grindelwald never mastered it.
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Zaz
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12/18/07 4:06pm
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The wand lore is extremely interesting in DH. You could be right.
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Hammurabi
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I believe I also read somewhere that Dumbledore was simply a more powerful wizard than Grindelwald. The wand only counts for so much.
Of course, the circumstances are also unknown. I imagine it was a physically and emotionally intense battle for the both of them. Though I know Rowling's ready to drop the series, I can't say I wouldn't mind seeing The Chronicles of Albus Dumbledore. Though The Ballad of Lily and James might seem the more obvious spin-off, I'd be far more interested in Dumbledore's story.
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Zaz
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12/18/07 10:28pm
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DH is "The Chronciles of Albus Dumbledore"
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yankee8255
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12/18/07 11:40pm
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Hammurabi posted:
I believe I also read somewhere that Dumbledore was simply a more powerful wizard than Grindelwald. The wand only counts for so much.
Of course, the circumstances are also unknown. I imagine it was a physically and emotionally intense battle for the both of them. Though I know Rowling's ready to drop the series, I can't say I wouldn't mind seeing The Chronicles of Albus Dumbledore. Though The Ballad of Lily and James might seem the more obvious spin-off, I'd be far more interested in Dumbledore's story.
Darth-Ghost posted:
Somewhere above, talking about what she mentioned about the Elder Wand on her site, JKR said that you can only truly master the Elder Wand if you can overcome your fear of death. So maybe Grindelwald never mastered it.
DD himself says that he was maybe a little bit more skilled than GG, so I don't think it's that. D-G's point is a good one -- DD himself says that he was afraid of dueling GG, but not because he was afraid of death, implying that he wasn't.
The King's Cross chapter really is brilliant -- absolutely chock full of info, but much hidden between the lines.
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12/19/07 12:13am
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Shouldn't it be AD and not DD?
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yankee8255
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Thanks for dropping, Strilo, and bringing such critical matters to light. Shouldn't you be off somewhere railing on about what a hack Bono is?
DD, for some reason, has been the abbreviation I've seen used almost exclusively for Dumbledore, probably because his first name is almost never used, and his family name breaks up so nicely.I guess Grindelwald could be GW by the same thinking, but then you'd have confusion with George Weasley.
Regardless of such weighty matters, I've come to the conclusion, after my reread, that DH is actually my favorite of the series. Simply tremendous, even with its flaws. It does an incredible job of tying up the series.
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Draco married someone called Astoria Greengrass.
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Strilo
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See I am inclined to agree. I think DH is an excellent book and might well be my favorite of the series.
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Zaz posted:
DH is "The Chronciles of Albus Dumbledore"
Meh. I've yet to reread, but AD's story in DH is really quite bare and (at times) difficult to comprehend in human terms. Rowling's recent revelation about his affair with GG makes everything make a lot more sense, but I feel like AD's story just isn't really fleshy at all. Which is too bad, because he pretty much directed book seven (as well as the other six). A brief summary of the series might go like this: Dumbledore makes a plan. Everything goes according to plan.
However, I don't quite understand the DH-love all over here. I was initially in love with the book, but my feelings have definitely faded. Rowling spend quite a bit of time going through her silly horcruxes/hollows plot, while neglecting character development. Dumbledore's the only character who really develops in DH, and that development (as I said) is somewhat marred.
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yankee8255
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12/19/07 11:39pm
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I would answer that Harry, Hermione and Ron have been pretty well developed over the course of the first six books. And they still don#t just stand still in DH. Especially not Harry.
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Well, where does he go? He starts of being the same damn big-hearted kid that he ends up being. Maybe his heart grows from thirteen inches to fourteen over the course of DH? Certainly nothing dynamic happens.
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You don't see the significant change in him from the beginning of the book to him digging Dobby's grave?
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