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The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 44. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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Zaz
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4/29/07 2:25pm
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 85: Luke Skywalker
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They're the same character, really.
Yes to this one; especially as Star Trek and Star Wars both found a source in him.
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dp4m
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4/29/07 2:33pm
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 84: Buck Rogers
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Zaz posted:
They're the same character, really.
Yes to this one; especially as Star Trek and Star Wars both found a source in him.
As much as I personally like Flash better, he was created solely to compete with Buck (who was first, IIRC).
Flash captured more of the pulp; Buck captured more of the human exploratory spirit.
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5/9/07 12:42pm
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 84: Buck Rogers
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83: Amos 'n' Andy
Category: Americana
In a nutshell: Popular radio characters.
What the book says: Mostly it recounts the history of the characters from radio to TV.
What I say: Reading the history of the show makes for an interesting study of the depiction of minorities in American entertainment and the response of the public to said depictions. I'm leaning toward yes.
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Rogue1-and-a-half
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5/10/07 10:27am
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 83: Amos 'n Andy
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As unpolitically correct as they come, white actors portraying black characters on a radio comedy show.
But the show was funny at times.
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Zaz
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5/10/07 12:43pm
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 83: Amos 'n Andy
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I see why they included them; but I don't know that most people today would even know who they are.
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Forcefire
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5/20/07 1:19pm
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 83: Amos 'n Andy
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83: Sindbad the Sailor
Category: Adventure
In a nutshell: Sindbad (aka Sinbad) starts on a journey, ends up shipwrecked, acquires great wealth, and returns to Baghdad. Seven times.
What the book says: "Sindbad, depicted as a heroic character in recent Hollywood films, is a villain, a scoundrel, a murderer, and a cheat in the original stories. As such, he may be more of a representation of Europe's negative image of Arabs than the representation of the rising influence of foreign trade for the Arab nations."
What I say: He's certainly an enduring figure. I'm not sure whether he belongs here or not.
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Zaz
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5/21/07 4:00pm
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 82: "Sinbad the Sailor"
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Sinbad is a great character, IMO. More of a con man than a villain.
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Forcefire
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5/30/07 4:13pm
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 82: "Sinbad the Sailor"
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81: Mammy
Category: Stereotypes
In a nutshell: A stereotype of a black woman servant.
What the book says: "The tradition of using conquered peoples as aservants dates back to biblical times. But in an era when blacks were distrusted and abused, again and again Mammy presented a comforting image of the black woman as a trustworthy, asexual servant."
What I say: This is a bit of a change, and a bit of a cheat, as they don't refer to any one character, but rather a character type. Also, they try to connect the perception of the stereotype to Rosa Parks, which seems something of a stretch.
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Zaz
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5/30/07 7:32pm
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I agree that a stereotype is not a character. 
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Rogue1-and-a-half
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6/2/07 9:27pm
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 81: "Mammy"
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And the list plunges into camp.
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6/3/07 11:01am
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 81: "Mammy"
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Aunt Jemimah?
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6/3/07 1:47pm
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 81: "Mammy"
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Rogue1-and-a-half posted:
And the list plunges into camp.
No arguments here.
The_Face posted:
Aunt Jemimah?
They do mention her, yes. As an example, mind you. I don't think even these guys will suggest Aunt Jemimah in particular changed the world.
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6/3/07 3:05pm
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No, but she does have a big influence in Pancake houses.
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6/3/07 3:41pm
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 81: "Mammy"
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Luke Skywalker -- "hel yes" doesn't seem strong enough
I also support Sinbad being on this list
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RE: The 101 Most Influential People Who Never Lived: 81: "Mammy"
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80: Icarus
Category: Greek and Roman Myths
In a nutshell: Son of Daedalus, he died when he flew too close to the sun with the wax and feather wings his father created.
What the book says: "Icarus is important for several reasons. He is a prime example of the consequences of not following instructions. And although he was first in flight and the inspiration for the Wright brothers, he was foolish enough to exceed the manufacturer's specific limitations on altitude, and thus his wings failed. What was even worse, he had neglected to purchase flight insurance." Har de har.
What I say: The statement that Icarus inspired the Wright brothers is completely unsourced, and I can't find any reference to it in my (admittedly small) research. That claim aside, the story of Icarus has survived pretty well over the years, so maybe.
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