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The 50 Biggest Hollywood Disasters -- #1: The tyranny of the opening weekend box office
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Zaz
Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre
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Oct '98
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7/30 5:08pm
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RE: The 50 Biggest Hollywood Disasters -- #3: Death on the set of Twilight Zone: The Movie
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Live ones are cheaper. That's even colder.
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NYCitygurl
Title: Manager of SFFBC, C&G, and NSWFF
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8/6 8:39am
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RE: The 50 Biggest Hollywood Disasters -- #3: Death on the set of Twilight Zone: The Movie
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2. The Hollywood blacklist.
During the McCarthy era, the House Committee on Un-American Activities took its communist witch hunt to Hollywood. More than 300 actors, writers, directors, and producers were branded red and found themselves unemployable, and some were even thrown in the clink. Those who named names saved their livelihoods, but tarnished their reputations. As for moviegoers, we lost a decade's worth of great films that might have been.
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Spiderfan
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8/6 9:05am
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RE: The 50 Biggest Hollywood Disasters -- #2: The Hollywood blacklist
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What a strange and scary time this must have been for people. Its alarming how many lives were ruined by the witch hunts of HUAC and friends, and sadly it wasn't limited to the Hollywood blacklist, all for having opposing political or philosophical beliefs that many found to be so threatening.
Thankfully this kind of thing is behind us now.
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Drac39
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8/6 10:54am
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RE: The 50 Biggest Hollywood Disasters -- #2: The Hollywood blacklist
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This probably should have been number one on the list. In the quest to fight a dictatorship America all most became one
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Zaz
Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre
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8/6 1:41pm
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RE: The 50 Biggest Hollywood Disasters -- #2: The Hollywood blacklist
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It is terribly true that a lot of talent was lost or crippled (Kazan comes to mind here) by the blacklist. It didn't destroy the American film industry, the way totalitarian politics destroyed the pre-WWII Germany and USSR film industries, but it did make an unfortunate difference for about ten years.
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NYCitygurl
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8/12 4:10pm
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RE: The 50 Biggest Hollywood Disasters -- #2: The Hollywood blacklist
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1. The tyranny of the opening weekend box office.
Anyone who has anything to do with movies lives and breathes in its shadow. The amount of money a movie earns in its opening weekend determines its life, and thus, the lives of everyone who works on it, starting with the executive who green-lights the project, so you know quality is not his biggest concern. What matters is what's marketable—the effective trailer, the prettiest faces to slap on a poster, the market-tested themes that draw an audience—so it's no wonder that a big chunk of the average studio movie's total budget goes to prints and advertising. No longer can smart movies hunker in at movie theaters, slowly developing an audience. This summer's unprecedented glut of huge openings—followed by precipitous drops—tells us that audiences are restless. So are we. Still, there's hope: Surprise hits like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Fahrenheit 9/11 do exist. And then there was The Passion of the Christ . . . Well, maybe a little tyranny isn't such a bad thing after all.
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JediOverlord
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8/12 4:19pm
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I remember watching the movie documentary version of Easy Riders, Raging Bulls and one person said that she felt that treating movie's weekend B.O. like sports scores is what is ruining the movie industry.
You can't blame her.
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Zaz
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In the 60's certain movies could run as long as a year.
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JohnWesleyDowney
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Zaz posted: In the 60's certain movies could run as long as a year.
Very true. Even into the 70s. Clockwork Orange ran for over a year at one theatre in Britain.
And lots of big movies were given roadshow engagements. They played as an "event" in the best theatres with the biggest screens and the best sound for limited periods of time, and I can remember as a kid seeing ads that said, "Last 2 weeks of this roadshow engagement!"
I never saw 2001 in it's original run, but it was still going around from time to time in theatres at least through the mid seventies, seven YEARS after it's 1968 release. It cost 10 million dollars to make in the mid sixties, quite a large budget for the time. But after it caught fire (after the initial bad reviews and empty theatres) MGM released it over and over again, and it piled up a ton of money in ticket sales that eventually pushed it into profit. Doing that all over the world, it made a mint.
Remember this was before VHS or DVD. So if a film wasn't sold to television, and you wanted to see it, you had to see it in a theatre, which is what made those roadshow engagements so special, and lucrative.
You know what I wish would be re-released in theatres? The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Yes, I own the DVD set. But watching it at home just doesn't duplicate that shared communal experience of seeing on a big screen with a packed theatre of LOTR fans.
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Zaz
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8/13 1:04pm
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What I would pay to see in a theatre? "Lawrence of Arabia"
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Nrf-Hrdr
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No longer can smart movies hunker in at movie theaters, slowly developing an audience
Plenty of films still do this - limited releases is a common way of building momentum for more minor interest films through word of mouth. Just in the last year the strategy worked pretty well for No Country For Old Men and There Will Be Blood.
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Bacon164
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8/13 8:16pm
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I'd totally pay to see Ben-Hur, Star Wars, Titanic, Fellowship of the Ring, The Wizard of Oz, Psycho, and Gone with the Wind in theaters.
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JohnWesleyDowney
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8/13 8:43pm
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Nrf-Hrdr posted: No longer can smart movies hunker in at movie theaters, slowly developing an audience
Plenty of films still do this - limited releases is a common way of building momentum for more minor interest films through word of mouth. Just in the last year the strategy worked pretty well for No Country For Old Men and There Will Be Blood.
Dreamworks used the strategy for Sweeney Todd too.
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MarcusP2
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8/14 9:46am
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If Indy, the first 3 SW (missed ANH and ROTJ in 97), or any one of several other movies returned to the cinema I would be right there to see it.
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LordNyax113
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8/14 10:00am
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^Same here. Especially TPM. I shamefully missed it in theaters.
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