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The2ndQuest
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RE: The 50 Biggest Hollywood Disasters -- 49: Commercials in movie theaters
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I don't mind the commercials so long as they are meant specifically for theaters and not just a big screen replay of commercials I tivo through on a daily basis, or, if they are replays, are of a cinematic nature. Video games in particular lend themselvs well to theatrical advertisements- the full version of the Gears of War "Mad World" commercial, or the Metroid Prime commercial directed by Alex Proyas, for example.
As for trailers that give the whole plot away, they call those Robert Zemeckis films.
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Rogue1-and-a-half
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Siths_Revenge posted:
^ROTS gave away every single spoiler, too, and it was a huge success.
The trailer for that movie could have been the last five minutes of the movie and it still would have been a huge success.
All I'm saying is its annoying to have a movie spoiled for you before you watch it.
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True, but if you want to avoid that, take recreational drugs that destroy your memory, then you can watch the trailers, then the movies, and it'll be fresh and new every time! Of course, the rest of your memory would suffer too...
What I find to be the absolute worst is having commercials in the theaters, then go home to see the same damn body spray commercial on TV. I've never cursed at my TV so loudly before.
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I don't mind sitting through a commercial or three before a film. The only thing that gets on my nerves are trailers that give too much of the film away. I rarely go see comedies because the only time almost all of the good jokes don't go in the trailer is when they can't; ie 40 Year Old Virgin which was hilarious because almost everything in it was either to dirty or too weird to go in a trailer. I hope I don't see a Spider-man 3 trailer after 2's trailer showed all the best moments from the film and left the actual film feeling like a second viewing instead of a first.
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#48: Werner Herzog's Fitzcarraldo
It kicked off in the Amazon with Jason Robards and Mick Jagger in key roles, but health worries subtracted Robards, and a Stones tour claimed Jagger. Taking Robards's place was temperamental German thespian Klaus Kinski, who so alienated the natives that they offered to murder him. The longest drought in 65 years stranded the film's crucial steamship on a sandbar, and then torrential rains and a border war dogged filming.
I've never heard of it, but probably because it was such a flop (and before my time).
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Rogue1-and-a-half
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RE: The 50 Biggest Hollywood Disasters -- #48: Werner Herzog's Fitzcarraldo
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The movie itself is supposed to be quite good; haven't seen it though.
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General_Dodonna
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1/14/07 1:22am
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Fitzcarraldo is only a "disaster" in that it cost someone some money and had a myriad of production problems. Is the film itself actually a "disaster?" No, it's a masterpiece. This list is no doubt typical Hollywood-perspective crap. Sort of like how we're constantly given Hollywood's perspective on everything Orson Welles ever made.
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Did this movie even have anything to do with hollywood? Anyway, plenty of people feel Fizcarraldo is a masterpiece. Its been on my 'to watch' list for years, but aside from Aguirre and Grizzly Man you usually have to go out of your way and spend a fair bit to see a Herzog movie.
From what I hear, it could have been a serious physical disaster: apparently they were pretty lax with safety precautions when making it, and that's not really the best attitude to have when you're pushing an actual steamship over a hill to make your little movie project.
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Zaz
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There is a documentary about the production of "Fitzcarraldo" which is called "Burden of Dreams", if memory serves. Anyway, they showed a clip of the Mick Jagger footage, and Jagger is godawful.
I don't think they are referring to the quality of the film itself.
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Ah, didn't get that. I'll trust you guys that it's a good movie; doesn't really look like something I'll be seeing.
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I'd just like to add that Fitzcarraldo's presence on this list is entirely perplexing (to me anyway), because, as Nrf Hrdr alludes to, the film had absolutely no Hollywood financing. How then could it be a Hollywood disaster? And you can bet that no Hollywood producer would ever let his director hire natives to actually drag a real steamboat over a mountain. Again though, this is no doubt a part of a long line of thought that argues essentially that anything that fails financially is a failure as a motion picture. This kind of thinking often reduces otherwise interesting films like Gates of Heaven or Ishtar to the rubbish bin of history, which is unfortunate. While these films might have been financial disasters, and while I might be picking a semantic bone here, the term "disaster" connotes utter failure, when in fact, none of these films were failures as art, merely as commerce (and I include Fitzcarraldo among those I listed, despite its lack of Hollywood financing).
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#47: Nipples on Batman's suit
I can honestly say that I never really noticed or cared 
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As a batman fan, I care. Batman is not gay, or murderous. Something the first four films never quite seemed to figure out.
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Will 46 and 45 be the Batsuit's asscrack and cod piece?
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DarthBoba posted:
As a batman fan, I care. Batman is not gay, or murderous. Something the first four films never quite seemed to figure out.
Batman wasn't anywhere near gay in the Burton movies, not that I mind that interpretation of the character.
And as far as murder, I think the character is mythological enough that those other interpretations can be explored, just like I'm fine with a movie where Jesus and Mary Magdalene are lovers. Honestly I think the 'no-killing-EVER' thing is really nonsensical, and at heart a gimmick to keep the rogues' gallery from thinning out. I mean, I don't see Batman as the kind of guy that views himself as judge-jury-executioner, but if you have to choose between killing the bad guy and letting him get away (as in 1989's BATMAN) I don't see why the former is unacceptable. I think when one man is almost perpetually engaged in mortal combat, it's silly to expect him to always defeat the bad guy wthout killing him. Ultimately, stopping the villain is more important than preserving the villain's life for a jail sentence. I understand the objection to the somewhat casual attitude displayed in the film (the chest-bomb in Batman Returns comes to mind), but I would repectfully argue that the question "how does this work as a film?" (IMO, very well, as Returns moved significantly into the realm of pop-expressionism) is more important than "how does this work as a Batman story?"
I think the big problem with the nipples is that they're emblematic of Schumacher's whole approach to the films, particularly in Batman and Robin. "Hey Joel, why is X in the movie?" "Why not?" "Oh, OK!" If you're ever bored enough to listen to the DVD commentaries, Schumacher freely admits to putting tons of stuff in his movies for no reason other than because the suits thought it would sell toys.
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