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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 3/25/08 9:30pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings:"The Death of Marat" by Jacques-Louis David - Date Edited: 3/25/08 10:58pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zaz
	Next: "The Third of May" by Francisco Goya 1814, oil on canvas, Museo Nacional del Prado, Madrid Goya painted this large picture and the companion piece "The Second of May" to illustrate the uprising of the Madrid population against the Napoleonic occupiers. The "Second of May" shows the Mamelukes (Egyptian mercenaries) clearing the Puerta del Sol, a square in the centre of Madrid, packed with angry demonstrators. "The Third of May" shows the execution of demonstrators outside the walls of the city. We see the demonstrators, the central figure in an obvious Christlike pose (complete with stigmata), but of the troops, we see only their backs--they are abstract. This wasn't a success at the time, but the pictures have influenced both other artists, but also film directors (Eisenstein especially--and here I mean the Odessa Steps sequence in "The Battleship Potemkin").
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solojones Registered: Sep '00	Date Posted: 3/26/08 7:10pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May"
	I'm not an artist or art student, but this is a pretty iconic and striking painting, for sure. The only place I've heard a discussion on it is in the movie Stay, actually There's also reference to it in a song I like. I think something I notice about this painting is the striking light falling across the otherwise dark scene. It appears to be coming from to the left of the viewer... where is it supposed to be coming from? The soldiers have shadows from it, but the victims don't seem to, which they should. The lighting is unnatural, presumably purposefully. -sj loves kevin spacey -----signature----- 6 x 9 = 42 Proud member of the Colbert Nation My short films: http://www.youtube.com/solojones1138
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 3/26/08 8:01pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May"
	Goya had a fevered imagination, possibly caused by lead poisoning. The above painting is called 'Saturn Devouring His Children'
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Hammurabi Registered: Jan '07	Date Posted: 3/26/08 8:25pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May"
	I dig Goya. -----signature----- i never sleep, 'cause sleep is the cousin of death
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Obi-Dawn Kenobi Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 3/27/08 11:26am Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May" - Date Edited: 3/27/08 11:27am (1 edits total) Edited By: Obi-Dawn Kenobi
	solojones posted: I think something I notice about this painting is the striking light falling across the otherwise dark scene. It appears to be coming from to the left of the viewer... where is it supposed to be coming from? The soldiers have shadows from it, but the victims don't seem to, which they should. The lighting is unnatural, presumably purposefully. -sj loves kevin spacey I'm not sure, but I guess I always thought that yellow box sitting on the ground right in front of the soldiers could be a lantern of some sort? shrug It's a very powerful scene. The civilian in the Christ-like pose attracts one's eye immediately and expresses the utter despration they all must feel being held at gunpoint. I've always liked this painting a lot. I also really like Saturn devouring one of his children. Gruesome scene from mythology painted with such madness and terror. Goya was awesome. -----signature----- http://makingmischief.net/ "In this interdependent world, war is outdated." -The Dalai Lama
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 3/27/08 11:58am Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May" - Date Edited: 3/27/08 12:57pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Zaz
	Good point, I enlarged it, but I wasn't sure. Goya was indeed awesome, but not for the weak of heart. The Black Paintings (of which "Saturn" is one) for one and "The Disasters of War" for another. Here's one: Do you really need to know what they're going to do with those babies...?
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JohnWesleyDowney Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 4/1/08 8:03pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May" - Date Edited: 4/1/08 8:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: JohnWesleyDowney
	Both of those last two paintings are very disturbing images. Interesting, and the "vibe" reminds me of the same feeling I get when I watch ROSEMARY'S BABY. In the Goya painting, "Saturn" looks lion-esque.
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 4/1/08 8:11pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May" - Date Edited: 4/1/08 8:11pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zaz
	You have to watch carefully with Goya. For instance, this picture: Looks like an innocent pastoral scene at first glance, doesn't it? It isn't. Look closer, and it illustrates a coach hold-up, murder and rape.
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JohnWesleyDowney Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 4/1/08 8:43pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May"
	You're right, the colors on initial glance would seem an idyllic, pastoral setting. But once one notices the vivid red, and takes in the figures...it conveys something quite different. Interesting psychological approach. Reminds me slightly of David Lynch's work...he sometimes presents an idllyic, rural setting, then on closer examination there is violence and death. Lynch started out as an art student and painter, I'm sure Goya is someone he is quite aware of...it's right up his alley.
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Hammurabi Registered: Jan '07	Date Posted: 4/1/08 8:56pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May"
	It's interesting watching Goya's sixty-year transformation from a sly propaganda artist to a disillusioned old man. The Black Paintings were all actually painted on the walls of his house - he never really intended for anyone to see them. Of course, they eventually became precursors to the whole damn Modernist movement. Here's another classic Pintura Negra: -----signature----- i never sleep, 'cause sleep is the cousin of death
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 4/1/08 9:45pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May"
	A Website Showing the Black Paintings As They Originally Appeared Click on the door, then on the left hand painting; it rearranges the perspective.
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JohnWesleyDowney Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 4/1/08 10:14pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May"
	Those are some amazing images from a dark and fertile mind.
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 4/1/08 10:54pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May" - Date Edited: 4/1/08 10:55pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zaz
	This site gives the background The companion painting to "Saturn" is "Judith and Holofernes" which shows Judith hacking his head off. "Asmodea" is damned strange, too.
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Hammurabi Registered: Jan '07	Date Posted: 4/2/08 6:23am Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May" - Date Edited: 4/2/08 6:24am (1 edits total) Edited By: Hammurabi
	From what I heard, Goya painted "Saturn" right next to his dining room table. "Half-Submerged Dog" is another interesting one: -----signature----- i never sleep, 'cause sleep is the cousin of death
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 4/2/08 7:35pm Subject: RE: Folio Society's 100 Greatest Paintings: Goya's "The Third of May"
	Is that a dog? It looks like a rat. Goya couldn't even be trusted with a royal task; here's his take on the Spanish Royal Family: The queen in that last picture (at centre) had a lover, Manuel Godoy, who essentially ruled the country. He was good-looking, oversexed, vain lout, and here's the picture Goya painted of him: He is shown reclining with a staff between his legs. Yikes. You wonder how Goya escaped with his life.
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