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dp4m
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RE: 100 Greatest TV Episodes Of All Time: #92: "The City on the Edge of Forever" (Star Trek-1967)
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How is this only #92? The LANDMARK science-fiction episode of nearly any sci-fi series ever on television; a full exploration of Bradberry's themes of time travel and the theoretical "butterfly effect" (though not quite apt) and easily the best Star Trek episode of all time...
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RE: 100 Greatest TV Episodes Of All Time: #92: "The City on the Edge of Forever" (Star Trek-1967)
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To be honest, I thought it overrated.
*Hides*
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This is my favorite Star Trek episode. Really makes you think, and about different things like sacrifice for the greater good, the power of a single individual, war and peace, and nukes. 
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RE: 100 Greatest TV Episodes Of All Time: #92: "The City on the Edge of Forever" (Star Trek-1967)
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Pretty good for it's time, and it holds up pretty decently, but is generally way overrated, IMO. The romance, like most Trek and 60's TV, is hammy and forced (though not feeling as obligatory in nature as most TOS episodes), Bones' predicament is basicly a Macguffin, which wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't wasted time following him. Plus you have scenes like the staircase scene that don't fit in with the rest of the story- SPock knows she dies ina car accident, so why would he suggest that Kirk saving her from falling was what she would have died from instead? It's...illogical 
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The2ndQuest posted:
Pretty good for it's time, and it holds up pretty decently, but is generally way overrated, IMO. The romance, like most Trek and 60's TV, is hammy and forced (though not feeling as obligatory in nature as most TOS episodes), Bones' predicament is basicly a Macguffin, which wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't wasted time following him. Plus you have scenes like the staircase scene that don't fit in with the rest of the story- SPock knows she dies ina car accident, so why would he suggest that Kirk saving her from falling was what she would have died from instead? It's...illogical
Actually... 
I, in my later years as you know my penchant for time travel mechanics, took from that the fact that they may have been in a time-causality loop, which is that she always died in a car accident because Kirk always let her die NOT because that was the original way she died; but for them that's what the history said. When they were back in time, Bones would have prevented it (because Kirk had yet to prevent Bones from doing so) and thus history was changed until Kirk actually stopped Bones...
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Edith has to die the same way that she does in the original history. It's not just a case of letting her fall or shooting her with a phaser set to kill. Her death needs to be much like it was originally, so that history is perserved even if it's off a bit.
It's a pretty good episode, though I'm curious as to what would've happened had the script not been changed as much as it had from Ellison's original draft.
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RE: 100 Greatest TV Episodes Of All Time: #92: "The City on the Edge of Forever" (Star Trek-1967)
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Ellison published a book with the original script a few years ago, so you can read it. It was interesting, but I prefer the filmed episode. It's probably the best Kirk romance story, and everyone else gets a nice moment, and McCoy's character is fleshed out very well. For a first season episode, it's great. It's feature film quality.
I wonder why they never went back to the Guardian though in the other series?
You guys forgot McCoy's arrival back in time before Kirk and Spock did. McCoy prevented Edith from dying and she survived long enough to prolong the U.S. entry into WW1. But, Spock and Kirk went back in time a few days before McCoy did, and discovered that Edith had to die so the timeline could correct itself, so Kirk had to let Edith die. It didn't matter how she died. Just that she did.
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* obligatory Common People link * 
Yeah.... has absolutely nothing to do with said episode... but meh. 
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dp4m posted:
Actually...
I, in my later years as you know my penchant for time travel mechanics, took from that the fact that they may have been in a time-causality loop, which is that she always died in a car accident because Kirk always let her die NOT because that was the original way she died; but for them that's what the history said. When they were back in time, Bones would have prevented it (because Kirk had yet to prevent Bones from doing so) and thus history was changed until Kirk actually stopped Bones...
Well, perhaps if the episode had the depth to be able to convey notions such as that in a consistant manner, I wouldn't have as many qualms about it. It's a good interpretation though.
Still, I'm gonna stick with my "overrated" verdict, even though I'm a sucker for timetravel stories- it just feels like I've seen animated children shows that have tackled better time travel stories than "City". (Come to think of it, maybe I wouldn't be as hard on "City" if it had been a kid's cartoon instead of a live action show aimed at an older audience...)
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Wilderness_Comedian posted:
I wonder why they never went back to the Guardian though in the other series?
Later on, the Enterprise was able to affect time travel on it's own in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday", which was used in place of going to the Guardian. Only in the animated series is the Guardian seen again. That and certain novels. Kirk himself probably didn't want to go back because of what happened to Edith.
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Well, in the animated series Spock is studying the Guardian and he makes a mistake which results in him never being born, so he has to go back through the Guardian to the time when he was in nine years old. That was the only time the Guardian ever reappered.
Remember the bum who disintegrates himself with McCoy's phaser? It's sad that his death never affects the future time line.
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It's a good one, but my favorite Trek episodes is "The Trouble With Tribbles". Yes, I'm deeply shallow.
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That one is in my Top 5 all time favorites. My personal favorite is "The Doomsday Machine."
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Zaz posted:
It's a good one, but my favorite Trek episodes is "The Trouble With Tribbles". Yes, I'm deeply shallow.
Oh, that's my FAVORITE episode, but it's not the best IMO.
My favorite episodes of TNG were probably not close to anyone's top-rankings of "best" since they are Picard-only episodes; nor my favorite episodes of DS9 because they are both first-season.
EDIT: I also checked and this list is from 1997. TEN YEARS of quality TV missing!
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It is.... I searched for a newer list, and couldn't find one... the hell?
This is why I'm making a jc tv list.
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