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Jango10
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RE: Sci-Fi's top 25 movies and TV of the past 25 years: "Lost"
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LilyHobbitJedi posted:
Lost is the most wonderful show I've ever seen. I've been watching faithfully since episode 1 and I fully intend to see it's conclusion. And it's on tonight! 
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RE: Sci-Fi's top 25 movies and TV of the past 25 years: "Lost"
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LilyHobbitJedi posted:
Lost is the most wonderful show I've ever seen. I've been watching faithfully since episode 1 and I fully intend to see it's conclusion. And it's on tonight!
Yeaaah!
I think this show is great, and definetly among the best tv shows i've seen ever. For me this show is addictive: once u start to watch it and get into the story, u just feel the need to figure out what the hell is going on 
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PerfectCell posted:
Lost is decent, it's not bad, but I wouldn't say it's great either. It's more hit or miss than anything else really.
Agree with this. It may seem that I hate an irrational hate for all things popular, yah. I like the show but sometimes it doesn't work.
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People, this is the best show that has ever seen the light of day.
Compared to other series, thier missteps are few. Yes, there were some, mostly concerning the handling of the "Tailies", but compared to how other series unfold, it's absolutely NOTHING.
I have also been watching from the first episode -- I was lucky enough to be flipping through channels during a re-broadcast of the pilot the weekend after it aired by one of our Canadian stations, and became hooked within 10 or so minutes.
You watch this thing from then to where it is now, it's just phoenominal. The series has come so incredibly far.
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Hate this show.
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JMJacenSolo posted:
Hate this show.
State. Why.
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Plot threads that trail off into oblivion, characters don't act like real people, and most of all, the unconditionally apologetic fan base.
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JMJacenSolo posted:
Plot threads that trail off into oblivion, characters don't act like real people, and most of all, the unconditionally apologetic fan base.
what important parts of the plot have trailed off?
Everything that has been a big part of the show has either been addressed, answered or still remains important until the issue is resolved.
That covers pretty much everything from the numbers to the monster.
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JMJacenSolo
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The numbers were never adequately explained as far as I saw. We saw what they were used for before the plane crashed, but that didn't explain why they were omnipresent in the characters' lives prior to that. And don't give me any "easter egg" nonsense. You make a national sensation out of something, it ought to make complete and total sense.
What about that four-toed statue from the Season 2 finale that didn't show up at all in Season 3? Anything about that as of late? Those piles of journals? What about when Claire's baby was possibly "evil"? I haven't actually watched the show in a long time, so maybe those have been addressed, but that brings me to the main problem for me...
The pacing. LOST is essentially a big mystery novel in television form. You don't really know if the story is actually any good until it all comes or doesn't come together coherently at the end. Well, you have to actually read the book to find out, but I'm not going to keep reading if there are hundreds of pages of filler every so often. Every season on LOST there a handful of throwaway episodes that add nothing to the plot. And when there are, the fans unconditionally give the writers the benefit of the doubt. If there were an episode that began with five minutes of Jack wandering around the woods for five minutes followed by fifty-five minutes of a black screen, people would be proclaiming how brilliant it was and speculating about what it all means. How many hours were spent crafting and debating theories from Season 1 and 2 that are totally irrelevant now? How do you know the same thing isn't happening for 3 and 4? Maybe it's just a bunch of nonsense. Maybe I'm wrong and it will be unthinkably brilliant at the end. I don't find the show interesting enough to be strung along for the ride.
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JMJacenSolo posted:
The numbers were never adequately explained as far as I saw. We saw what they were used for before the plane crashed, but that didn't explain why they were omnipresent in the characters' lives prior to that. And don't give me any "easter egg" nonsense. You make a national sensation out of something, it ought to make complete and total sense.
What about that four-toed statue from the Season 2 finale that didn't show up at all in Season 3? Anything about that as of late? Those piles of journals? What about when Claire's baby was possibly "evil"? I haven't actually watched the show in a long time, so maybe those have been addressed, but that brings me to the main problem for me...
The pacing. LOST is essentially a big mystery novel in television form. You don't really know if the story is actually any good until it all comes or doesn't come together coherently at the end. Well, you have to actually read the book to find out, but I'm not going to keep reading if there are hundreds of pages of filler every so often. Every season on LOST there a handful of throwaway episodes that add nothing to the plot. And when there are, the fans unconditionally give the writers the benefit of the doubt. If there were an episode that began with five minutes of Jack wandering around the woods for five minutes followed by fifty-five minutes of a black screen, people would be proclaiming how brilliant it was and speculating about what it all means. How many hours were spent crafting and debating theories from Season 1 and 2 that are totally irrelevant now? How do you know the same thing isn't happening for 3 and 4? Maybe it's just a bunch of nonsense. Maybe I'm wrong and it will be unthinkably brilliant at the end. I don't find the show interesting enough to be strung along for the ride.
wait, they explained where the numbers came from... but you actually expected an explanation as to why they showed up in random places everywhere?
lmao... sorry man, but that's your own fault. Most people didn't really expect an explanation for that. That truly was just easter egg type stuff.
the producers have said that they plan on getting to the four toed statue, it hasn't just been left behind. And even if it was, no one would be upset, seeing as how it wasn't a major plot point or anything. It was just a statue seen in passing.
as far as piles of journals... I have no idea what you're talking about. Could you elaborate?
Claire's baby keeps going back and forth. Cuse and Lindelof are toying with us on that. They haven't left that story behind though, they keep bringing it back in bits and pieces, and every time they do, it tends to change your mind on whether or not the psychic was real. There was nothing mentioned about the baby being evil though, not once in the show do I recall that.
and you must be out of your mind if you think the fans just give the writers the benefit of the doubt. You must not go to The Fuselage much. The biggest Lost message board I think. And after every episode all the fans talk about it, and there's usually more criticism then praise. The fans are extremely critical of the show, to say that they all follow blindly is ridiculous.
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Gonk
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The numbers were never adequately explained as far as I saw. We saw what they were used for before the plane crashed, but that didn't explain why they were omnipresent in the characters' lives prior to that. And don't give me any "easter egg" nonsense. You make a national sensation out of something, it ought to make complete and total sense.
They haven't explained everything yet. The numbers are one thing they haven't gotten to completely. Even you admit in this statement that we know more than we did about them when you state that we know what they were used for before the plane crashed.
As for making a national sensation, the people who watch the show did that. They're simply producing a television series.
What about that four-toed statue from the Season 2 finale that didn't show up at all in Season 3? Anything about that as of late? Those piles of journals? What about when Claire's baby was possibly "evil"? I haven't actually watched the show in a long time, so maybe those have been addressed, but that brings me to the main problem for me...
I don't remember anything about Claire's baby being possibly evil. The journals were pretty much self explaintory (it was a psychology experiment, and the facility that recieved them was no longer there), and may be elaborated on later, but it's not exactly a question I think stands out.
And as for the four-toed statue, that's going to be addressed quite soon by the writers. Probably in the next few epsiodes. Unfortunately you haven't had the patience to get there. LOST is a demanding show, and doesn't hand things to it's viewership when they want it.
The pacing. LOST is essentially a big mystery novel in television form. You don't really know if the story is actually any good until it all comes or doesn't come together coherently at the end. Well, you have to actually read the book to find out, but I'm not going to keep reading if there are hundreds of pages of filler every so often. Every season on LOST there a handful of throwaway episodes that add nothing to the plot.
Sure -- there are other things in life, and this is no different from just about any other series in the history of television.
And when there are, the fans unconditionally give the writers the benefit of the doubt. If there were an episode that began with five minutes of Jack wandering around the woods for five minutes followed by fifty-five minutes of a black screen, people would be proclaiming how brilliant it was and speculating about what it all means. How many hours were spent crafting and debating theories from Season 1 and 2 that are totally irrelevant now? How do you know the same thing isn't happening for 3 and 4?
I'll tell you why:
Because the writers have pulled PHOENOMINONS out of thier hat. Like when Locke looked into the hatch mirror in first season and the light came on? That incident came back to have huge resonance later. Or Locke again, with his missing kidney? Turns out he was later shot right where the location of the kidney is; if he'd had one there he'd probably have died. And then the way they've shaped Desmond into a walking reference to "Slaughterhouse Five"?
Maybe it's just a bunch of nonsense. Maybe I'm wrong and it will be unthinkably brilliant at the end. I don't find the show interesting enough to be strung along for the ride.
Unfortunate. The last epsiode was probably the best they'd ever had.
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Gonk posted:
I don't remember anything about Claire's baby being possibly evil.
Season 1, episode 10: Raised by Another. Claire is told by a clairvoyant that her baby must not be raised by anyone other than her, or it would grow up to be the most terrible evil. Or something. I don't remember the actual details, but that was the gist of it.
I thought the first season of Lost was hugely overrated, and far too much emphasis was placed on each "clue" to mysteries that they were quite obviously making up as they went along. Season 2 surprised me by being better, imo, than season 1, and keeping me interested. Season 3 was even better, and I think what I have seen of s4 has been excellent. I think that since they set themselves an end date they have actually worked out how all this will end, and now they really do have answers to the questions that they pose.
I think the much-praised flashback style of the show became a rigid straight-jacket for the writers over time - after we had seen a few flashbacks from the main characters I think it would have been better to have whole episodes set on the island in the present, and left the occasional flashback for when they actually had something important to reveal. I mean, how many times did we have to see flashbacks to Kate's stupid crime-sprees? I honestly think they added the Tailies in s2 just because they had run out of stuff to flashback to in the original cast.
Anyway, I think they have got around that by having flashforwards instead.
I'm really looking forward to seeing new episodes here in U.K.
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soitscometothis posted:
Gonk posted:
I don't remember anything about Claire's baby being possibly evil.
Season 1, episode 10: Raised by Another. Claire is told by a clairvoyant that her baby must not be raised by anyone other than her, or it would grow up to be the most terrible evil. Or something. I don't remember the actual details, but that was the gist of it.
No.
the psychic said that great danger surrounds the baby if it's raised by another.
Nothing is ever said about the baby being evil.
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^Really? Sorry about that, I thought she was told, or it was at least implied, that the kid would grow up to be very bad indeed.
It has been years since I was it, though. Evidently I just remember it wrong.
Edit: This is what I was thinking of:
Danger surrounds this child. Your nature, your spirit, your goodness, must be an influence. That suggests to me that there is concern about the child's moral nature rather than simply its safety.
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