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RE: The Worst Movie Dialogue Ever: Now Disc."Revenge of the Sith"
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Not only was the dialogue itself bad, but Portman and CHristensen have zero chemistry, so in addition to the scene being stupid it is also ridiculously awkward.
I think it explains why Lucas has been a bachelor for so long - he's just an awkward guy.
Princess_Tina posted:
It just shows how amazingly brilliant George Lucas really is. All along, he's been doing his best to pay homage to the old serials of the 30's and 40's, which among other things were known for their so-awful-it's-good dialogue and wooden acting.
I really hope you're fakeposting, because that's just dumb.
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You want bad dialogue? Worst ever? Watch independent films. Some of them have what is REALLY the worst dialogue ever. I saw two prime examples of this last week. Nothing in the PT comes close to the worst dialogue ever.
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Princess_Tina posted:
It just shows how amazingly brilliant George Lucas really is. All along, he's been doing his best to pay homage to the old serials of the 30's and 40's, which among other things were known for their so-awful-it's-good dialogue and wooden acting.
Have you seen some of those serials? The dialogue isn't so awful it's good, it's so awful it's awful. I've watched a couple of early serials entire and seen snippets of others; I think I'm done with them. 
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OMG! You mentioned SW in a thread with worst in the title! Blasphemy!
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Zaz
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Well, Strilo, please write down those examples. I want you to post 'em.
Don't doubt that indie films have awful examples. The current list is mainline movie awful.
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I'll bet all that Lucas dialogue worked fine for the fans when they were in elementary school. 
I think it explains why Lucas has been a bachelor for so long - he's just an awkward guy.
By the way, Lucas was married for 14 years, then he dated Linda Rondstadt during the 80s.
And for the last several years, he's been in a relationship with a woman who's a CEO of a very successful business in Chicago. He may be awkward but a guy worth 4 billion dollars isn't gonna have any trouble finding a woman.
This discussion of "bad dialogue" in Lucas films seems to go on forever. His strength as a filmmaker has always been his vision and the visuals and everyone knows that. Funny, the "bad" dialogue, which was totally appropriate for the genre, never seemed to hurt his film's popularity. There's plenty of films with beautifully written dialogue that no one goes to see.
One of the greatest scenes in all of film is when Luke watches the twins suns set. That scene won many hearts. Lucas knows what to show us, and that's what matters the most.
People go to SEE movies, not listen to the dialogue. When you invite someone to a film you say, "hey let's go see a movie" not "hey, let's go listen to some well written dialogue."
By the way, the infamous fire place scene in AOTC? The one that's so awkward. Guess what? It's a scene that's about an AWKWARD situation. Is it just possible it's doing it's job? Wait, what am I thinking? All teenagers are always flawlessly articulate and smooth in discussing their relationships! No guy has ever had any trouble expressing himself to a a girl! Of course! Why isn't that in there? 
So far it sounds like this thread should be called "Romantic movie dialogue that makes people with opposite sex hang-ups uncomfortable.
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Zaz
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The problem is not that the dialogue is bad, per se, but that Lucas doesn't know it.
Example: the notorious whining line Luke has in ANH. This is a bad line, but the real problem is Lucas didn't bother to redub it, as any other director might well have done.
Ditto: 'you'll be floating home' line said by Han Solo in the same movie. Same thing.
The more experienced actors don't have the problem, because they know how to avoid sounding stupid. The kids don't.
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Being a bachelor doesn't mean you ain't gettin' play.
Lucas' strength has always been his crazy spaceships and laser swords ideas. I don't find his visuals to be particularly good - his shots are always pretty flat and static.
I can't believe people actually defend those scenes though, maybe they are meant to be awkward, but their is nothing that justifies the level of creepiness between those those actors. Bad lines (intentional or not) combined with terrible, stunted delivery makes me want to squirm out of my seat.
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I can't believe that people can't believe someone might find something they themselves don't like worthwhile. What a shallow attitude. If you think that they are creepy then I'm sorry for you, but I agree with the defenders: They were awkward teenagers, and acted as such. Think back to your own teenage romantic encounters. I doubt you or anyone else was a true Casanova. It probably would have been pretty uncomfortable to watch.
Threads like this make me sad for filmmakers and artists in general. The average person has become so focused on themselves and absolutely always having everything just the way they want it, that they cannot suffer art or entertainment that isn't tailored to their own personal tastes. We're going to get to a point where people look at the Mona Lisa and say it sucks because it should'a had more red in it. You have to defer to the artist at some point, or it all becomes mathematics. Then art dies, and that is sad.
I could complain about how that scene is bad because it's not the way I would do it or it made me feel uncomfortable, but I choose to defer to the artist in this case and others because the alternative is simply to horrible to comprehend. I know that sounds melodramatic, but wait 100 years and well get to a point where everyone is too self-absorbed to spend more than 2 seconds looking at something someone else created.
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Zaz
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Somehow, I'm guessing you really like Anakin's "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" in ROTS. 
But seriously: one of the few rules in this place is that you don't tell people why they hold an opinion, or criticize them for holding it. If you disagree, say so; don't level this type of guilt trip on those who don't.
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Good thing to know that I'm self-absorbed for having an opinion
The alternative is, there are no bad movies at all. Ever. You just don't understand man, it's art!
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EDIT: Got it Zaz.
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Take this as a second warning: you are NOT allowed to criticize people for having an opinion. Or Quoting Them For Truth, either.
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Princess_Tina posted:
It just shows how amazingly brilliant George Lucas really is. All along, he's been doing his best to pay homage to the old serials of the 30's and 40's, which among other things were known for their so-awful-it's-good dialogue and wooden acting.
And if the SW dialogue was so-awful-it's-good, you might have a point. But it's not, it's just plain awful
There are plenty of movies, good and crappy, with so-awful-it's-good dialogue (Mortal Kombat Annihilation being a particular favorite of mine in that category). You generally don't find it in SW, though, but especially not in the examples being discussed here.
JohnWesleyDowney posted:
People go to SEE movies, not listen to the dialogue. When you invite someone to a film you say, "hey let's go see a movie" not "hey, let's go listen to some well written dialogue."
Right...but we generally go to a movie hoping it'll be good, and usually for it to be good, it's various components, including the script/dialogue, need to be good, so the notion is sorta implied. People have standards for their entertainment to exist to.
JohnWesleyDowney posted:
By the way, the infamous fire place scene in AOTC? The one that's so awkward. Guess what? It's a scene that's about an AWKWARD situation. Is it just possible it's doing it's job? Wait, what am I thinking? All teenagers are always flawlessly articulate and smooth in discussing their relationships! No guy has ever had any trouble expressing himself to a a girl! Of course! Why isn't that in there?
Dialogue conveying awkwardness does not have to equal awful dialogue, but even if that was the case, the situation would have had to have been spontaneous for that excuse to be applicable. Anakin didn't just meet this girl and blurt out his suddent feelings- the boy's been obsessing over that moment for 10 years, I think he had a pretty good idea of what he wanted to articulate.
Now, sure, it's realistically possible that he was nervous and flubbed his mental script, but there's no indication in the dialogue, performance or directing to suggest that was the intention or actual case.
And even beyond all of that, even assuming Lucas intended it to be a psuedo-realistic approach of awkwardness (and I'll put aside the debate of whether or not the notion is even realistic to begin with), the function of the scene, outside of any other context, it's sole purpose in the movie was to begin connecting Anakin & Padme's love with the audience, so that they'd care later on about the characters during the Love Pledge (putting aside the dialogue there, at least they had Williams' music to use as a crutch for the emotional payoff there) and the peril they're in during the arena sequences.
And in that regard, the execution of the scene (regardless of approach) failed due to it's dialogue as it actually caused a disconnect with the audience through the resulting snickering and eyerolling, bringing the audience out of the film. That's sort of the ultimate failure in film- worse even than leaving no impression, is achieving the opposite effect of what you set out to accomplish.
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Anakin didn't just meet this girl and blurt out his suddent feelings- the boy's been obsessing over that moment for 10 years, I think he had a pretty good idea of what he wanted to articulate.
Exactly, and every line he says, sounds like the type of thing that sounds awesome in your head, when you're daydreaming about a girl you really like. The lines that (in your head) you say, and you sound so smooth, and the girl just melts in your arms. Then you try to say them out loud, and you end saying something like: "I wish I could just, wish away my feelings, but I can't." The whole scene is like that. A scene that in one way or another, Anakin has lived through daydreams many times. And in those dreams, he always sounds cool, smooth, and like, well, a confident Jedi Master. Then he finds himself in the situation, and he's crashing and burning. He's awkward, he's unsure and everything he wants to say is coming out really badly.
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