| Author |
Topic:
TV Miniseries: Now Discussing: "The Devil's Whore"
|
Soontir-Fel
Registered:
Dec '01
|
Date Posted:
4/6 2:19am
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Dune"
|
soitscometothis posted:
What does the extended version add?
Boobs.
-----signature-----
Errent_Venture Wrote " Listen to Soontir-Fel for he is a man ruling over other men."
Ender_Sai wrote "In other news, I confer Modly praise on Soontir and Rogue_wookie for being superior men, worth of the title of Spartan. They, may keep their penises"
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
soitscometothis
Registered:
Jul '03
|
Date Posted:
4/6 2:35am
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Dune"
|
|
There was nudity in the version I saw. Possibly the U.K. Sci-Fi Channel showed the extended cut.
-----signature-----
I am not an eel popsicle. Art: http://boards.theforce.net/Fan_Art/b10020/17816752/?21 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
soitscometothis
Registered:
Jul '03
|
Date Posted:
4/8 3:22am
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Dune"
|
Children of Dune
Despite its name, this was a miniseries that adapted both Frank Herbert's Dune Messiah and Children of Dune.In the first episode, Alec Newman reprised his role as Paul Atredies, while Alice Krige took over the role of Lady Jessica; Steven Berkoff played Stilgar, Julie Cox returned as Irulan, and Daniela Amavia played the now grown up Alia. James McAvoy (The Last King of Scotland, Atonement) played lead character Leto in the final two episodes, and was joined by Jessica Brooks and Susan Sarandon.
This miniseries deviated from the original novels in a number of ways, the most obvious being the that the twins Leto and Ghanima are at least in their late teens in this series, rather than being nine years old as in the books. Leto's transformation is also changed from the source novel: there he is encased in a second-skin made up of sandtrout, acting like some kind of organic exo-skeleton armour, while in the TV adaptation he absorbs the sandtrout into his body and shows a minimum of external changes. Duncan Idaho's resurrection into a ghola is less creepy in the TV version than in the book, where he has artificial metalic eyes and is well aware that he has been created to destroy Paul. Also I seem to remember that Ghanima was a lot more equal to Leto in the book than in this, where she is clearly the lesser of the twins.
I thought this mini was much more patchy than the original Dune miniseries. I rather missed Saskia Reeves as Jessica, and I have never liked Steven Berkoff; Alec Newman, however, was arguably better here than in Dune, and I thought James McAvoy made a charasmatic lead as Leto.
Some of the cgi was not so great - the supposedly lethal Laza tigers, for example, looked just plain cuddly.
My main memory of this miniseries is that James McAvoy was very cool as Leto, but that I thought the changes from the book made this a more conventional "Holywood-style" adaptaion that is predecessor.
Thoughts, anyone?
-----signature-----
I am not an eel popsicle. Art: http://boards.theforce.net/Fan_Art/b10020/17816752/?21 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Chancellor_Ewok
Registered:
Nov '04
|
Date Posted:
4/8 5:22am
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Dune"
|
|
It was still pretty fraking good.
-----signature-----
For more information about the crack spider's bitch contact the Canadian Wildlife Service in Ottawa.
I robbed the second largest bank in France using only a ballpoint pen
I killed a man with this thumb.
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
soitscometothis
Registered:
Jul '03
|
Date Posted:
4/8 8:44am
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Dune"
- Date Edited:
4/8 8:45am (1 edits total)
Edited By:
soitscometothis
|
|
Definitely one of the more quality sci-fi miniseries to be sure. As McAvoy becomes more high-profile as an actor I would think that CoD will gradually receive more attention from the general public at large.
-----signature-----
I am not an eel popsicle. Art: http://boards.theforce.net/Fan_Art/b10020/17816752/?21 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Trimaj
Registered:
Jun '05
|
Date Posted:
4/8 12:49pm
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Children of Dune"
|
i loved both of them, and i don't they could have found a better paul atreides than alec newman. i find that when i read the books now that i see the characters the way they were presented in this. seldom that i find something that represents the characters from a book anywhere near that well. the only thing that came close was the prestige.
i also loved the baron harkonen and the way they presented him. very well done.
as to the lack of humor... not so, although it was admitedly exceedingly dry. there was even some in the books, it just took a slightly skewed POV.
:snoopy
-----signature-----
I'm just a figment of your imagination.
Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour.
Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That's relativity.
-Albert Einstein
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
DVader316
Registered:
Feb '00
|
Date Posted:
4/8 1:03pm
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Children of Dune"
|
Its been a while since Ive seen the CoD mini but I enjoyed it. I liked the Dune Messiah half a bit better, though.
Still hoping for a God Emperor miniseries, but I know the chances of seeing that are probably slim to none.
-----signature-----
Currently Reading: Empire by Orson Scott Card
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Gonk
Registered:
Jul '98
|
Date Posted:
4/8 1:38pm
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Children of Dune"
|
|
Sarandon was terrible. The rest of the miniseries was pretty good, though.
-----signature-----
What shall we do to fill the empty spaces
Where waves of hunger gnaw?
Shall we set out upon this sea of faces
In search of more and more and more?
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
soitscometothis
Registered:
Jul '03
|
Date Posted:
4/8 2:25pm
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Children of Dune"
|
I preferred the Children of Dune episodes to the Dune Mesiah ones, but it's been a while since I've seen the series.
God Emperor of Dune was the last book of the Dune series that I finished - I remember starting Heretics and not enjoying it. A GEoD adaptation would be a hard sell - sandworm-Letto would probably be expensive and difficult to make look sympathetic and tragic rather than ridiculous. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but it would take guts and skill. And money.
I am quite excited by the prospect of a major movie series based on the Dune books - the story is good, with a mythic quality to it rather than Star Trek technobabble. I don't know who I would like to play Paul, though. Getting someone of the right age who can act and appeal to the general movie-going public is going to be difficult.
-----signature-----
I am not an eel popsicle. Art: http://boards.theforce.net/Fan_Art/b10020/17816752/?21 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Chancellor_Ewok
Registered:
Nov '04
|
Date Posted:
4/8 3:18pm
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Children of Dune"
|
soitscometothis posted:
I am quite excited by the prospect of a major movie series based on the Dune books - the story is good, with a mythic quality to it rather than Star Trek technobabble. I don't know who I would like to play Paul, though. Getting someone of the right age who can act and appeal to the general movie-going public is going to be difficult.
Agreed. I am excited by the prospect of a new Dune film. I will be curious to see how this turns out. Both Dune and Children of Dune were excellent. If this film can approximate their success, then that will be a good thing.
-----signature-----
For more information about the crack spider's bitch contact the Canadian Wildlife Service in Ottawa.
I robbed the second largest bank in France using only a ballpoint pen
I killed a man with this thumb.
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
soitscometothis
Registered:
Jul '03
|
Date Posted:
4/8 4:28pm
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Children of Dune"
|
The first book has exotic locations, romance, martial arts, and that whole mythic thing that I mentioned before. The studio should like the look of that, because on paper it looks like a licence to print money.
On the other hand, the fact that there has already been a Dune movie that flopped, now that has to make some of the money men scared. That could seriously affect the budget, and in turn, the cast. Dune needs good actors, not necessarily movie stars, but top-notch character actors who feel that the have a bit of weight behind their performances. I think that the characters in Dune are strong enough to attract some good people, but the money has to be there, and there is often a slight stigma attatched to sci-fi in some people's eyes.
I also worry about adapting the other books in the series, because Dune Messiah is pretty grim, if I remember correctly, and CoD needs a pair of nine year olds who can act and carry a film that is not a childrens' story - those are things that will make a studio nervous about financing such a problematic franchise.
-----signature-----
I am not an eel popsicle. Art: http://boards.theforce.net/Fan_Art/b10020/17816752/?21 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Chancellor_Ewok
Registered:
Nov '04
|
Date Posted:
4/8 6:29pm
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Children of Dune"
- Date Edited:
4/8 6:32pm (1 edits total)
Edited By:
Chancellor_Ewok
|
|
Yeah, but David Lynch's Dune project flopped, not because Dune is an inherintly unfilmable book, but because of a poor script that took liberties with the source material and bad special effects. Honestly, the Paul/Gurney shield fight looked rediculous. At the same, if the failure of David Lynch's Dune wil scare investors away, the two Sci-fi miniseries clearly demostrated that a properly funded Dune project helmed by a director who knows what he's doing can a successful venture. Hell. both Dune and Children of Dune are Emmy-winning productions and spectacular to watch. I will agree though, that casting seems to be hit and miss in the Duniverse. Alec Newman was very good as Paul, but William Hurt pratically sleeps through some of his scenes and Patric Stewart was wasted as Gurney. He really should have been cast as Duke Leto.
-----signature-----
For more information about the crack spider's bitch contact the Canadian Wildlife Service in Ottawa.
I robbed the second largest bank in France using only a ballpoint pen
I killed a man with this thumb.
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
soitscometothis
Registered:
Jul '03
|
Date Posted:
4/9 4:40am
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Children of Dune"
|
Chancellor_Ewok posted:
Yeah, but David Lynch's Dune project flopped, not because Dune is an inherently unfilmable book, but because of a poor script that took liberties with the source material and bad special effects.
Oh, I totally agree with you, Dune's story is, as I have said, very well suited to be a box office smash. The fact that there is a romance in the plot, a fairly happy ending, plus a nice climactic duel, and even a twist revelation about Paul's ancestry... these things are very Hollywood friendly. I just worry that the previous faliure of a Dune film will stigmatise the project. Having said that, Batman Begins has shown you can put past franchise failiures behind you and make money, and Lynch's Dune was never the stinker that Batman and Robin was.
Chancellor_Ewok posted:
I will agree though, that casting seems to be hit and miss in the Duniverse. Alec Newman was very good as Paul, but William Hurt pratically sleeps through some of his scenes and Patric Stewart was wasted as Gurney. He really should have been cast as Duke Leto.
I've got to think that Liam Neeson would be great as Leto in a new film version.
-----signature-----
I am not an eel popsicle. Art: http://boards.theforce.net/Fan_Art/b10020/17816752/?21 Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Chancellor_Ewok
Registered:
Nov '04
|
Date Posted:
4/9 1:19pm
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Children of Dune"
|
soitscometothis posted:
I've got to think that Liam Neeson would be great as Leto in a new film version.
If that actually happens, then Liam Neeson is officially a geek. 
-----signature-----
For more information about the crack spider's bitch contact the Canadian Wildlife Service in Ottawa.
I robbed the second largest bank in France using only a ballpoint pen
I killed a man with this thumb.
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
rumsmuggler
Registered:
Aug '00
|
Date Posted:
4/9 6:39pm
Subject:
RE: TV Miniseries: Now Discussing "Children of Dune"
- Date Edited:
4/9 6:47pm (2 edits total)
Edited By:
rumsmuggler
|
soitscometothis posted:
What does the extended version add?
Other than boobs, there were a few scenes that didn't make it into the Sci-Fi channel version.
Children of Dune was really good as well, but I wish that the Dune Messiah portion could have been longer.
I, also would like to see God Emp if, they took the time to do it right. If not continue to do the rest of the series and at the beginning, and throughout the miniseries show flashback to God Emp (ala LOTR intro).
I hope that the new film is done well.
-----signature-----
" Conan, what's best in life?" " Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women."
W.W.L.D. What Would Lando Do
"Why is the rum always gone?"
Retcons = making the dumb stuff look even dumber.
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
