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JohnWesleyDowney
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RE: Sequels That Surpass Their Predecessors - Now Disc. "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"
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The other female characters never come close to this. You don't think for a minute that Indy would care half as much if they died.
That's a very good point. I agree, you're right on the money with that observation.
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Armenian_Jedi
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The only Indy movie I've seen all the way through is Temple of Doom... I loved that one.
I tried to watch Raiders a couple weeks back and I couldn't make it through...
Never even tried to watch Last Crusade.
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How could you not make it through Raiders? It is flawless.
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Armenian_Jedi posted:
The only Indy movie I've seen all the way through is Temple of Doom... I loved that one.
I tried to watch Raiders a couple weeks back and I couldn't make it through...
Never even tried to watch Last Crusade.
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JohnWesleyDowney
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I've never watched an episode of LOST. Tried to watch it once, but it was too boring. Couldn't make it through it.
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Armenian_Jedi
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Jango10 posted:
How could you not make it through Raiders? It is flawless.
It just didn't grab me.
I don't know... I watched maybe 20-30 minutes the first night I tried to watch it... watched about 10 minutes the next night... then another 10 minutes the night after and after that I decided I wasn't gonna be able to watch this thing.
It just didn't do anything for me.
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I'm likewise disbelieving of that, but of course I know that even the best movies have people they don't resonate with. Such is life.
For a long time, until Lost in Translation came along, it was my favorite film. It's still my second favorite.
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Not being in the industry myself I can not say for certain, but I imagine there is a lot of politics in movie making between, Studio, producer, director and even some cases star and the adage who has the gold or in this case most box office pull makes the rules.
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Zaz, I see what you're saying, I just don't agree. You're correct that 1941 was a flop, but this was after two extremely high-profile, extremely successful films -- Jaws and Close Encounters -- had made Spielberg one of a handful of celebrated filmmakers, directors who could essentially write their own ticket. Lucas himself had recently lost some critical cache with the roundly lambasted Empire Strikes Back, which many average moviegoers also found disappointing. I think you're applying an imaginary pattern to the content of the IJ films. Lucas concocted the stories for these things with some small input from Spielberg, then hired others to write the scripts. That the degree of plot and character input varied based on each man's degree of perceived "power" strains credibility in my opinion. Who would decide which of them was more "powerful", and based on what criteria -- critical? financial? artistic? I just don't think this is a realistic observation.
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StarDude
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Vortigern99 posted:
Zaz, I see what you're saying, I just don't agree. You're correct that 1941 was a flop, but this was after two extremely high-profile, extremely successful films -- Jaws and Close Encounters -- had made Spielberg one of a handful of celebrated filmmakers, directors who could essentially write their own ticket. Lucas himself had recently lost some critical cache with the roundly lambasted Empire Strikes Back, which many average moviegoers also found disappointing. I think you're applying an imaginary pattern to the content of the IJ films. Lucas concocted the stories for these things with some small input from Spielberg, then hired others to write the scripts. That the degree of plot and character input varied based on each man's degree of perceived "power" strains credibility in my opinion. Who would decide which of them was more "powerful", and based on what criteria -- critical? financial? artistic? I just don't think this is a realistic observation.
I think you're both misinformed. Although Lucas has story credit, and he's the one who essentially hired Spielberg, the story for Raiders came to life when Spielberg, Lucas, and Kasdan all sat in a room together, put a tape recorder on and went through the story together. Lucas and Spielberg talked, Kasdan took notes and went away to write a script.
In regard to the Indy sequels, Ford, Lucas, and Spielberg have had a pact that they all have to agree on the script before they move forward.
Lucas takes credit (or blame) for Temple of Doom's darkness, saying it was because he was going through a divorce.
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade went through several different scripts just like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, albeit the ball got rolling much faster. The Holy Grail failed to peak Spielberg's interest until Lucas came up with opening the movie with Young Indy and having his father in it. Spielberg decided that "the search for the father IS the search for the Grail."
Also in regard to Lucas's and Spielberg's clout at the time of the making of Raiders, Lucas was definitely held in higher regard. I read an article (and if I can find it, I'll post the link) that stated that Lucas had 3 phenomenal successes in a row (American Graffiti, Star Wars, and Empire Strikes Back), whereas Spielberg was still a young, however successful, filmmaker coming off a flop. At the time, Lucas was held at the top of the pedestal. He was the one who reigned Spielberg in when he was storyboarding the film as a David Lean-sized epic.
All in all, I'd say Lucas and Spielberg can take equal credit when it comes to Indiana Jones.
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The other female characters never come close to this. You don't think for a minute that Indy would care half as much if they died.
I recall Indy being upset when Elsa fell to her death at the end of Last Crusade.
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Last Crusade is personally my least favorite Indiana Jones film. It's still one of my favorites of all time, but it should have veered off a bit from Raiders. Temple of Doom may be most people's least favorite Indy flick, but I love the fact that it was something besides Indy racing against Nazis. It was genuinely scary and very different from Raiders while remaining true to the iconic character. Last Crusade feels like they decided to play it safe.
Don't get me wrong. I love Last Crusade. Sean Connery alone more than makes up for any flaws I feel they made. I just think it would have been better if it didn't feel like they were creating an Indy formula which consisted of Indy racing the Nazis for some biblical artifact. There's a million other items and cultures to explore and I feel they should have continued in the vein they seemed to begin with Temple of Doom.
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StarDude: Thank you; you're corroborating my conclusions. You're supplying more detailed information, and correcting my facts where I've misstated them, but all in all we agree that the films were a group effort, not dominated by one man or the other (Lucas/Spielberg) based on his degree of perceived "power" at the time of production.
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No problem.
If there's one thing Spielberg epitomizes as a director, it's collaboration.
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