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timmoishere
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RE: Sequels That Surpass Their Predecessors - Now Disc. "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"
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I wasn't referring to Indy vs the swordsman. I was more referring to the other Egyptian thugs fighting Indy and Marion.
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KnightWriter
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RE: Sequels That Surpass Their Predecessors - Now Disc. "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"
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timmoishere posted:
The bar scene was one of the worst fights in the Indiana Jones saga, along with the fight in the streets of Cairo. They were badly choreographed and seemed very fake. Compare that to the fight on the boats in the Venice streets in Crusade, or the tank chase. Those were well-choreographed fights.
I'm not sure I've ever been in more total disagreement with anyone on anything, politics excepted. As much so, but never more.
He said it was like playing a game of tennis where you get in the groove and nothing goes wrong. A movie where everyone was "in the zone." And it showed on screen.
Lucas also rescued Spielberg from himself by having him edit down the final sequence from about 10 minutes to what you see on the screen, which was just a few minutes long.
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timmoishere
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Just look at the film objectively. Don't think of it as an "iconic" film or a film that "breaks the mold." Just look at the scenes in and of themselves. It is very obvious that the two fights I referred to were poorly choreographed and unrealistic.
That's not to say that all of the Raiders fights were bad. Indy vs swordsman, Indy vs the muscleman near the plane, and of course the truck chase were great.
You keep touting Raiders as a flawless film, but I can find several flaws in it. The acting isn't nearly as good as the other two Indy films. Mr. Katanga and his assistant on the boat were terrible. The two FBI agents who recruit Indy into the Ark search were bad. Plus, I can't help but cringe every time Marion says "Indy, the torch is going ooooooouuuuuuutttttt!"
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KnightWriter
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I think of those things as iconic and great because I find the acting and choreography to be so well done. Everything blends together perfectly. It's not like they became iconic in some kind of vacuum.
I find the acting to be far superior in Raiders, and it to be a more gritty, realistic film than the two that followed. Again, the latter two are good as well, but not on the same level.
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Zaz
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Well, sorrrrrrrrrrry. 
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JohnWesleyDowney
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You keep touting Raiders as a flawless film, but I can find several flaws in it. The acting isn't nearly as good as the other two Indy films. Mr. Katanga and his assistant on the boat were terrible. The two FBI agents who recruit Indy into the Ark search were bad. Plus, I can't help but cringe every time Marion says "Indy, the torch is going ooooooouuuuuuutttttt!"
What do you mean they're "bad" EXACTLY? Explain why you think their performances are bad.
Be specific. I really want to hear this.
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Katanga wasn't bad, but I always notice the blue-eyed Mongolian...
BTW, what mistakes do I make around here? Other than losing the banner, that is. And making people mods. And perma-banning game losers.
Oh, forget I asked. 
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timmoishere
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Katanga and his assistant on the boat:
Assistant: I can't find Dr. Jones, cap'n.
Katanga: He's got to be here somewhere. Keep looking.
Assistant: I found him.
Katanga: Where?
Throughout this exchange, they never change their tone of voice and they sound like they're reading from a script that Spielberg is holding just off-camera.
As for the FBI agents, Porkins' acting is probably the worst of the two. The older guy did a somewhat decent job, but Porkins' reading of the line "What exactly is the headpiece to the Staff of Ra?" is just bad.
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StarDude
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You just listed one of my favorite parts of the movie as a reason why the movie sucks.
Therefore, we shall never agree on this.
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timmoishere
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I'm not saying the movie sucks. I like Raiders. I was just listing some of its flaws to show why I love Crusade better than Raiders.
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Well, we could talk about "Crusade's" problems as well. Alison Doody (I had to look up her name) is very, very undercast.
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timmoishere
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Alison Doody did well as a villainess, but not so well as the romantic lead.
On the other hand, the fact that she slept with both Jr and Sr Jones made for some comic moments.
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I tried watching "Last Crusade" again last night (in preparation for going to see the new film) and found AGAIN that I just couldn`t sit through all of it! It just annoys me, I tend to not think of it when someone mentions the Indy films, I just think of Raiders and TOD. One of the things that annoys me most about it is the way they`ve changed everyone`s characters; in Raiders, Marcus Brody is an intelligent professor - in Last Crusade he`s portrayed as a bumbling idiot? And the whole exchange between Indy and the woman when they 1st meet in Venice, when he buys her flowers - that`s not something the Indy from the 1st two films would do?!?
Maybe the bar was set WAY too high when the series opened with "Raiders" (I do agree with previous posters that it IS an absolutely perfect film), but IMO "Last Crusade" is by far the weakest of the 3 films.
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timmoishere
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Brody was out of his element in Crusade. You'll notice he was normal when he was at home in the school at the beginning of the film. But he's not made for adventures, so he was getting by as best he could.
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timmoishere posted:
Brody was out of his element in Crusade. You'll notice he was normal when he was at home in the school at the beginning of the film. But he's not made for adventures, so he was getting by as best he could.
That`s just one example - I just didn`t like the way Last Crusade was played mainly for laughs, I far preferred the more gritty approach of "Raiders" (and TOD, in places).
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