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Benny_Blanco
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RE: Sequels That Surpass Their Predecessors - Now Disc. "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"
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timmoishere posted:
Indy: "Marcus, what are you doing, trying to scare me? You sound like my mother. We've known each other a long time. I don't believe in any of that superstitious mumbo-jumbo. I'm going after a find of incredible historical significance and you're talking about the boogey-man."
I stand corrected.........I forgot about that bit 
You`d think he`d learn though......considering TOD is meant to take place before Raiders.......
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Zaz
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Glad to see you got the post-ironic joke, Spiderfan. 
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Jango10
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Benny_Blanco posted:
timmoishere posted:
Indy: "Marcus, what are you doing, trying to scare me? You sound like my mother. We've known each other a long time. I don't believe in any of that superstitious mumbo-jumbo. I'm going after a find of incredible historical significance and you're talking about the boogey-man."
I stand corrected.........I forgot about that bit
You`d think he`d learn though......considering TOD is meant to take place before Raiders.......
Hence another reason why TOD is the worst Indy movie.
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I'm really, really hoping the new one is good, though.
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I was really surprised to learn on the internet that Temple of Doom was the worst one. At the time it seemed like everybody liked it better than Raiders. I mean, it had the railcars and the bridge and Short Round and Mola Ram. Of course, everybody I knew back then was like 8 years old or something.
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Temple of Doom is definitely my favorite take on Indy. Yes, Raiders is probably the most "serious" in terms of overall tone while Crusade has an epic feeling to it that the other two can't really match. If it's those qualities I'm most after, though, my first choice would be to look elsewhere. When I want a pulpy, action-driven adventure filled with equal measures of heroic posturing, clever banter, and semi-foreboding darkness, I'm not sure I can think of a film that does it better than Temple of Doom.
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Last Crusade surpasses Temple of Doom easily, but surpassing Raiders? I don't think so.
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Agreed.
Raiders > TLC > TOD
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I really don't know if it's better than the first. It's hard to say. I tend to think the Last Crusade is the best written of the trilogy but Raiders was so innovative and was so well executed
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ezekiel22x posted:
Yes, Raiders is probably the most "serious" in terms of overall tone while Crusade has an epic feeling to it that the other two can't really match. If it's those qualities I'm most after, though, my first choice would be to look elsewhere. When I want a pulpy, action-driven adventure filled with equal measures of heroic posturing, clever banter, and semi-foreboding darkness, I'm not sure I can think of a film that does it better than Temple of Doom.
Good points
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somethingfamiliar posted:
I was really surprised to learn on the internet that Temple of Doom was the worst one. At the time it seemed like everybody liked it better than Raiders. I mean, it had the railcars and the bridge and Short Round and Mola Ram. Of course, everybody I knew back then was like 8 years old or something.
TOD was the 1st one I saw when my Dad took me to the cinema (I think I was 9 or 10) and for YEARS it was definitely my favourite, I just didn`t "get" Raiders till I got a bit older. Even now, I`d rather watch TOD than Last Crusade, I STILL think they changed the tone too much for the last one.
I`ve got high hopes for the new one though!
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I like them all, and would have a hard time picking one over the other. What I enjoy about them is that they are all different and the action hardly stops and there is just enough humor(not forced).
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quiller posted:
I like them all, and would have a hard time picking one over the other. What I enjoy about them is that they are all different and the action hardly stops and there is just enough humor(not forced).
I`d have to disagree about the "forced humour" bit when it comes to Last Crusade.
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I have two major beefs with Temple of Doom. One is Willie Scott. I find her anxieties, whining and squeamishness extremely annoying and unfunny. Earlier in this thread someone called Marion annoying; I don't really understand this as Marion is clearly one tough cookie ("Nobody tells me what to do in my bar"; "Don't you touch me!"). Willie is girlish and froo-froo in a way that IMO distracts from the fun of the story, and Capshaw's acting style is unconvincing and hammy.
The second problem is the general lack of realism. Sure, Raiders has its moments of unreality -- how did Marion go from tottering drunk to stone-cold sober inside of a second and a half? -- but in Temple many things defy physics, and everything seems to be played for laughs. The bulletproof gong, the flying raft, the ripped-out heart that leaves no wound, the roller-coaster-ride mine cart, the convenient arrival of the British army -- these flagrantly unbelievable cartoon tropes add up, one after the other, to strain credulity in the mind of the audience. Raiders, for all its fantastical elements and unlikely coincidences, feels real. Temple feels like the writers having fun at the typewriter.
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Vortigern99 posted:
Raiders, for all its fantastical elements and unlikely coincidences, feels real. Temple feels like the writers having fun at the typewriter.
The reason this doesn't bother me is that all the goofiness in ToD gives it even more of an adventure-serial feel than Raiders.
They're really two different beasts: Raiders is a modern adventure movie in the spirit of the old serials, while ToD is an actual modern adventure serial.
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