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KnightWriter
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Nov '01
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Date Posted:
5/10 12:15pm
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RE: First Look: Oliver Stone's Bush biopic
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Actually, this discussion itself is a sign that the timing may not yet be right for the movie. We're clearly very close to it as a country right now, with strong emotions all around. I submit that it will be far more controversial on a broad scale than either major 9-11 film, mostly because those films were about a single day, whereas this film will be about an entire era (to one degree or another), lasting about eight years.
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StarDude
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Date Posted:
5/10 12:33pm
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KnightWriter posted:
Actually, this discussion itself is a sign that the timing may not yet be right for the movie. We're clearly very close to it as a country right now, with strong emotions all around. I submit that it will be far more controversial on a broad scale than either major 9-11 film, mostly because those films were about a single day, whereas this film will be about an entire era (to one degree or another), lasting about eight years.
As I've said earlier, I've read the script and anyone who wants it can PM me.
The movie DOES NOT look at all eight years. In fact, the heart of the story is how Bush, an alcoholic with daddy issues, finds Christianity, turns his life around, and becomes leader of the free world. All that is intercut with his administration at work on selling the Iraq War.
I think it'll be Stone's best since Nixon, which is another movie that I love.
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KnightWriter
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5/10 12:54pm
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But, as I said, it touches on something that stretches for at least eight years, even if the movie itself doesn't cover all of that time period.
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StarDude
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Date Posted:
5/10 12:59pm
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It touches on it, but that's not the heart of the story. This is more empathetic toward Bush the man than Bush the president. It really is more in line with The Queen.
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rogue_wookiee
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5/10 3:05pm
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With Bush playing pranks on the staff during meetings about Iraq? 
It just seems like something aimed at making him seem like a childish daddy's boy and I'm actually more inclined towards the Harold and Kumar version of our president.
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StarDude
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5/10 3:24pm
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There's a scene where Colin Powell is locked out of the room and a scene where Bush steals a mint and Condoleeza slaps his hand. They're just little character moments that happen in important scenes. Comic relief. Get it?
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Gonk
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5/10 8:44pm
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And, well, it IS based on actual accounts of events. That story has been recounted before.
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Penguinator-176
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KnightWriter posted:
Canada sure is an economic wasteland,
As a Canadian citizen, I thank you for making me lol.
As to the film, I will probably watch it as satire. A dramatic satire, but satire nonetheless. As to Stone and bias, if he can make the somewhat-sociopathic Jim Morrison look like a troubled hippie, he can make George W. Bush's muddled catchphrases sound inspiring.
I don't think I can take this film seriously because I have lost a huge amount of respect for American politics thanks to Bush. At the same time, though, I'm disappointed that most of this film's publicity will be political and ignore acting and writing and direction, despite how amazing they might be.
One thing is certain: it will make a large amount of money.
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Zaz
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Date Posted:
5/12 12:53pm
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I doubt it, actually.
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Rogue1-and-a-half
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5/13 2:50pm
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I have to say this is a classic thread already; Knight's riff on Zaz only eating once a day was truly inspired and it's truly awesome to hear someone asking for a PPOR on the statement that Lincoln didn't suspende the 1864 election . . . Link to the Senate Floor adds one point.
That said, I was truly shocked at how sympathetic Nixon was; Stone stated that the highlight of his career was someone stating that they would never have believed they would cry for "that S.O.B., Nixon, but you made me do it."
The casting looks outstanding and if it's as even handed as Nixon was, it can be both critical and understanding. As to whether or not we have the proper distance, I'm not sure distance is a necessary ingredient to a good movie.
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rogue_wookiee
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All I can say is that I'm glad to see a forum where people prefer actual logical points to wit and actually pay attention to what they make fun of. Blithe's PPOR was not asking proof that Lincoln didn't suspend elections. It's asking for proof that he could. Which I have yet to see proof of and all historical sources that I've read point to it being an act of political suicide.
On that note has anyone heard anything of Spielberg's Lincoln biopic? I heard about it the other day and it sounds interesting. Spielberg did a great job with Munich and I hope that carries over into him not buying all the hyperbole about Lincoln.
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Blithe
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Rogue1-and-a-half posted:
I have to say this is a classic thread already; Knight's riff on Zaz only eating once a day was truly inspired and it's truly awesome to hear someone asking for a PPOR on the statement that Lincoln didn't suspende the 1864 election . . . Link to the Senate Floor adds one point.
rogue_wookiee posted:
All I can say is that I'm glad to see a forum where people prefer actual logical points to wit and actually pay attention to what they make fun of. Blithe's PPOR was not asking proof that Lincoln didn't suspend elections. It's asking for proof that he could. Which I have yet to see proof of and all historical sources that I've read point to it being an act of political suicide.
Now add two more points to thread!
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Zaz
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Date Posted:
5/13 4:55pm
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...oh, I need a care package...
I don't know that it would have been political suicide at all re: Lincoln, but it would have involved a violation of democracy, and that he was not prepared to do.
Re: FDR. That is simply not true. Japan DID NOT have to attack after FDR restricted their oil. They could have done a number of other things, but they were run by a bunch of aggressive nutbars.
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Hammurabi
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And I just walked in.
There's plenty of things I could say at this point, but I'll bring something up which hasn't really come up yet: a quick mention of a the others at the bottom of the list - specifically Harding, who we've already discussed, and James Buchanan, who comes up (down?) even more often than Harding. Faced with the greatest crisis in our nation's history, Buchanan did nothing, and the result was immediately apparent. Same goes for Harding.
Bush's failures are neither as grand or as immediate. But it's fair to say he's been an awful President - the Iraq War has been one awful mistake. It's not just that the war wasn't justified, but we spent several years losing it before we made any progress at all. Even if you think the Iraq War was justified (and I'd be interested in hearing why), it's hard to deny the war was very poorly-executed.
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Zaz
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5/13 4:56pm
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Add to Buchanan his immediate predecessor, Franklin Pierce. A do-nothing.
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