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The2ndQuest
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RE: 13 Rule-Breaking Films: Now Disc. "Requiem for a Dream" (2000)
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If Requiem was made mandatory viewing in high school, you'd see a massive drop in drug use in the country.
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StarDude
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RE: 13 Rule-Breaking Films: Now Disc. "Requiem for a Dream" (2000)
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The2ndQuest posted:
If Requiem was made mandatory viewing in high school, you'd see a massive drop in drug use in the country.
Which is why the MPAA can **** off.
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darthdrago
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The2ndQuest posted:
If Requiem was made mandatory viewing in high school, you'd see a massive drop in drug use in the country.
There's some truth to that. The Economist recently published an article detailing that meth use had dropped in one US State (Montana, I think), where the local authorities basically showed high school kids photos of "meth mouth": rotting teeth, damaged gum tissue, etc. Meth use was said to have dropped in half over two years. Nothing persuades teens like the possibility of turning ugly.
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DarthBoba
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I've seen this movie once. That's all that is needed, IMO; I decided that spending the rest of the day asleep was a good idea after viewing. 
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Zaz
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RE: 13 Rule-Breaking Films: Now Disc. "Requiem for a Dream" (2000)
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Psycho (1960)
Rule Breaking Idea: Kill off the main character halfway through the film
"This is a film that probably would not have gotten made if not for the fact that it’s Hitchcock. I heard on Turner Movie Classics that when the movie first premiered the director encouraged exhibitors to not let late-coming moviegoers in to see the film after a certain point. He wanted the audience to develop an attachment to the ostensible heroine before removing her from the narrative via the most famous murder ever put on film.
If this film were made today, Norman Bates would have gotten to kill off a few minor characters to show how evil he is, but Marion Crane would have found a way to survive, probably after a few close calls and some kind of one-on-one struggle with Bates before he’s dispatched at the last second. To try to do anything different shows just how radical Hitchcock’s idea was, and still is."
That's not the only rule-breaking idea, though it's a very good one. "Psycho" is the 'psychopath-as-hero'--we pull for Norman, especially when he's concealing the murder. Hitchcock is a master manipulator of the audience. He was able to do what he wanted because he basically financed the film himself--it was made on the cheap, in black and white, and using old sets from his TV show.
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Spiderfan
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Its a testament to the influence of Hitchcock that he could force exhibitors to lock their doors after the start of the movie and make people wait for the next showing.
Its also interesting to me that while many of these films have been seemingly groundbreaking, so many of them have spawned horrid knock-offs that try to mimick the style and innovations to the point where they become a gimmick so fast that many people become tired of them and the films that originated the style lose their luster for many. Its really sad because so often the various techniques presented when done right can be incredibly effective techniques and really stretch the influence and creativity of the medium.
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Many fail to note that much of the shock the audience experiences from the murder scene is the simple fact that according to conventional film theory it simply shouldn't be happening. Great film.
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Zaz
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"Memento (2000)
Rule Breaking Idea: Show the entire film in reverse scene order
This is a very effective film noir with a great cast. The premise, centered on a man who has lost his ability to remember what just happened to him, lends itself to the technique Christopher Nolan used. Unlike a lot of films, the audience has to concentrate to understand what’s going on and keep track of how the last scene, which they saw first, fits into the first scene, shown last. Other than a lesser episode of Seinfeld, I’m not aware of any other films or TV shows that have tried the same thing, which is probably for the best"
But in "Kiss Me Deadly" in the 50's, the credits ran in reverse.
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5/16 11:11pm
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Damn, this movie was hard to follow. I've only seen it once, and I think it's overrated (but still decent). Maybe if I see it again and catch more of the plot, I'll enjoy it more.
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rumsmuggler
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5/17 10:24am
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RE: 13 Rule-Breaking Films: Now Disc. "Memento" (2000)
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I've only seen or twice, but I liked it. I want to see it again one day to refresh it in my mind and to get a better feel for it.
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The2ndQuest
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5/17 12:56pm
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RE: 13 Rule-Breaking Films: Now Disc. "Memento" (2000)
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Great film- I didn't find it hard to follow, outside of the intended "what's going on?" moments that happen each time a new scnee starts, as your suppsoed to be as confused as the character.
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Zaz
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"High Noon (1952), The Ox-Bow Incident (1943), and Bad Day at Black Rock (1955)
Rule Breaking Idea: Take one of America’s most sacred myths, the Western, and turn it on its head
Every country has its national myths. In America, the West represents freedom, adventure, and progress. The bad guys are swarthy, desperate, easy to spot, and more or less easy to defeat. The good guy rides in on a white horse and, with the help of, the decent local folks, cleans up the town from violent desperados or greedy corporate land barons, to the gratitude of the town folk. The landscapes are boundless and beautiful, the horses fast, and there’s plenty of room for anyone with courage and gumption.
Some films, though, cast a different light on the Old West. In High Noon, a movie that was made partly in response to McCarthyism, everyone in the western town where the movie takes place is basically a coward, wholly dependent on the sheriff (played by Gary Cooper) to save them. When it’s the sheriff who needs help defending the town from a group of bad guys, the townspeople present any excuse not to put themselves in harm’s way, much to the chagrin and ultimate disgust of the main character.
In the Ox-Bow Incident, the mob is not just passively hiding from danger, but actively seeking out ways to punish people who are innocent of a murder. “Frontier justice” is portrayed as antithetical to the American ideal. In Bad Day at Black Rock, the frontiersmen are violent, ignorant, racist thugs. The film’s hero (played by Spencer Tracy) doesn’t come in on a horse form the dusty plain, but on a train from the city. The urban places that are often portrayed as something to escape from now become the source of justice for the innocent who live in the Wild West."
I don't much like the first one; the second one is interesting, and the third a good thriller.
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Zaz
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Next: "Goodfellas" (1990)
Rule Breaking Idea: Look at organized crime from the bottom up
"Another of America’s myths is the gangster picture. Ever since films were invented Hollywood has cranked out stories of criminal syndicates and the people who run them. (see Little Ceasar, The Public Enemy, Scarface: The Shame of a Nation, White Heat). In these movies, gangsters are high-livin’, charismatic, and exciting. Francis Ford Coppola’s epic The Godfather trilogy is perhaps the ultimate portrayal of the Mafia in all its operatic glory.
With Scorsese’s masterpiece, he focuses on organized crime’s middle-management, the guys who aren’t the kingpins, but have to get up in the morning and hustle just like everybody else. Other than the obvious difference of getting killed if you get out of line, there are parallels between their life and that of any other corporate citizen – how to keep the boss happy, how to move up the org chart, how to keep it all going day in and day out. David Chase would extend this theme with his portrayal of Tony Soprano and his business operations. It’s not the larger- than-life figures that make these films interesting, but the details and dynamics of living in a wholly unique society and economic system."
I don't know that this notion started with "Goodfellas"--I can remember Warner Bros. movies with the same idea.
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Benny_Blanco
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Quite possibly one of the best films I`ve ever seen - I was totally blown away the 1st time I saw it, I didn`t really know anything about it, but once it started I just couldn`t take my eyes off the screen.
The "Funny how?" sequence ranks as one of the best movie moments ever!
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It's a very great film based on real source material, but Raging Bull is Scorsese's masterpiece, not Goodfellas.
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