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Zaz
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Have Superheroes Ruined Summer Movies?
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The2ndQuest
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The EW guy is an idiot. He's obviously not even seen Batman Begins or Iron Man, and groups them in with Catwoman and Elektra. Catwoman? Really? IM & BB are the type of summer blockbuster movies just as worthy to the thrilling spectacles he claims have been lost. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a non-sequel original property claim the July 4th weekend and kick our asses like ID4 did (at the time), but that's hardly the fault of the superhero genre- it's just hollywood trends and cycles; We'll get back there eventually.
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yodaminch
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6/6 1:27pm
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RE: Have Superheroes Ruined Summer Movies?
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The reaction to the Dark Knight alone makes me believe Superheroes have not ruined Summer movies. The fact that they make so much more than the other seasons proves people still go and pay (a sometimes outrageous ticket price) makes me believe Superheroes have not ruined Summer movies. Iron Man was considered by many to be the next big flop when it was announced, but it surprised a lot of people and drew in more people. It'd say that certainly helped this summer as it got it off to a nice start.
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Spiderfan
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This isn't an issue of bad superhero movies, but simply bad movies. I mean really he holds Armageddon in higher regard than Batman Begins or Iron Man??
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Chancellor_Ewok
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I think it has to do with the fact that in the 80s and 90s the model for the summer blockbuster were movies like Star Wars, Jaws and Raiders of the Lost Ark.
When Bryan Singer made X-Men in 2000, he rewrote the rules, so to speak. X-Men became the model for what a succesful summer film should be.
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Vortigern99
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I'm with the guy who wrote the scathing rebuttal. "Go and see one of the 20 other movies that come out each summer to take your mind off the 3 comic-book movies that come out each year" or words to that effect. 
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^I actually think it was the success of The Matrix that made comic-book movies viable. Although it was not a direct adaptation of any one comic, it was very much influenced by comic-books (as well as Anime) and showed how special effects could make these super-human fight scenes spectacular.
Far more worrying is the trend of taking old TV series and reimagining them as movies - badly. Lost in Space, Charlie's Angels, The Dukes of Hazzard... have any of them been any good? And lets not forget the video-game movie - Tomb Raider, Mario Bros, Resident Evil etc. They are our generation's plague of locust.
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The2ndQuest
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Video games movies have the potential to be the next superhero movie trend in hollywood- it's just going to take 2 or 3 really good ones (with at least 1 being a mega-blockbuster) to kick it off and provide a blueprint for what kind of games to adapt and how to adapt them. We haven't had that yet, unfortunately.
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It would be nice to have more diversity and less franchise-building during the summer movie seasons of the last 6 years. Hell, I even miss the '90s when the movies that dominated the summer movie seasons were flicks like Independence Day and Armageddon--fun movies which never got sequels.
However, with superhero movies we HAVE gotten some greats--Spider-Man 2, Batman Begins, Iron Man, and X2 come to mind. This Summer, I'd bet that The Dark Knight becomes the first superhero movie to transcend the genre in terms of respect.
I suppose I'm not entirely opposed to sequels and genre flicks, be them superhero movies or otherwise, as long as their good movies. They just need to freshen things up a bit.
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StarDude posted:
This Summer, I'd bet that The Dark Knight becomes the first superhero movie to transcend the genre in terms of respect.
Agreed. If Heath Ledger is even half as good as all the reports say he is, then I think there will be a very serious arguement for giving him a posthumous Academy Award. All of the other actors in the cast his performance was absolutely incredible to watch.
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Chancellor_Ewok posted:
StarDude posted:
This Summer, I'd bet that The Dark Knight becomes the first superhero movie to transcend the genre in terms of respect.
Agreed. If Heath Ledger is even half as good as all the reports say he is, then I think there will be a very serious arguement for giving him a posthumous Academy Award. All of the other actors in the cast his performance was absolutely incredible to watch.
Doubtful, though I am still skeptical about how much I will like his performance. I will give him this much though...I can't hate it anymore than I hate Jack as the Joker. 
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The2ndQuest
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Another facet to consider here is most of the tentpole superhero films in the past couple years could have easily passed for the usual non-comicbook summer event movies the EW writer is talking about. Batman Begins could have been about some guy who turns Vigilante to take down an evil ninja organization, etc. Only some of the more overt ones like Superman Returns and Spider-Man fall outside of this description. So what he wants is out there, he's just refusing to let himself enjoy it because of a genre association.
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The2ndQuest posted:
Another facet to consider here is most of the tentpole superhero films in the past couple years could have easily passed for the usual non-comicbook summer event movies the EW writer is talking about. Batman Begins could have been about some guy who turns Vigilante to take down an evil ninja organization, etc. Only some of the more overt ones like Superman Returns and Spider-Man fall outside of this description. So what he wants is out there, he's just refusing to let himself enjoy it because of a genre association.
I get a sense that a lot of film elitists (i.e. those who don't respect any film that's not in their history book), feel the same way.
Ten/twenty years from now, when we can look back at the GOOD superhero movies that came out during this decade, I'm sure they'll receive a lot more respect.
Also, imagine when the kids of this generation grow up and become nostalgic for these movies, because it's gonna happen.
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no, it's the case of Hollywood making crappy movies and can't come up with anything new and too many movies coming out during the summer. I wish it would go back to when I was younger, have maybe one or 2 big films per summer, instead of one every other week.
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For me, it's more nearly the other way, with the summer movies ruining the superheroes. I despise things like Batman Begins where the hero has to wear some kind of silly black battlesuit in the name of realism. Most of the reasons I liked comics had to do with the way they looked, which invariably gets dulled down to "realistic" rubber ugliness in these live action movies.
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Quest ruined summer movies.
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