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GrandAdmiralPelleaon
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6/27/02 10:49pm
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RATM did not invent rap-rock. It started with a collaboration between Aerosmith and Run DMC, then Anthrax made a whole Rap/Rock (metal) album...
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sith1137
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6/29/02 8:51am
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well RATM helped to further it. and it still kicks arse. too bad they broke up.
but korn did allow others to put out music with hatred in it. most bands just wrote about drugs and sex and maybe a few others.
korn did that exept in more depth and also Jon wrote about a ****** child hood. plus anger for any of those.
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GrandAdmiralPelleaon
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Nah, Nirvana also had messages like that but Korn just put it more direct.
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I cannot beleive that anyone can compare Limp Bizkit with Korn!
Their styles are COMPLETLY different!
Personally I like early LB and SOME of the newer stuff.
However theyre not korn.
I think the majority of Follow the Leaders ok and some songs excellent. Every band along the way has their 'commercial' album even greats like Metallica.
Give them a break, after FTL there was the very angst 'issues' and now 'Untouchables' is totally different, its old Korn but smoother with a new groove.
They are good! You must see!
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Darth Dradus
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7/1/02 6:47pm
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"Sorry, you do not need to educate me on good groups. Unless you can tell me more interesting groups then Dream Theater, Symphony X, Rush, Yes, King Crimson, Sonic Youth, Arab on the Radar, Pussy Galore, The Roots, Justice System, The Pat Metheny Group, "
Wow, gee I guess I'm beat .. Korn must be good now.
Im sorry Korn is Highly overrated and thier new album is not that great the songs are simplistic and the whole "de tuning" of music in gereral is nothing more then a fad.
In the Mid 90's Ross Robinson capitalized on a sound and many bands on Road Runner since have treid to copy. Plain and simple that is a trend.
And Secondly I was not tying to be a smartass just reacting to your "Enlighten me " qoute. If you want to play the " What I listen to is better game" than we can. A wise person once said just becasue a riff is fast or hewavy sounding does not make it good.
Basicly what I am saying is that Korn does not deserve the praise because they have not progressed into anything different from thier first album. They have basicly stuck to the formulaic pattern of many nu-metal Bands.
Have you looked at mainstream Music magazines.. all thay talk about is Korn this and Korn that. They are hyped to be the epitome of what music should sound like. That is a shame. I mean serioiusly 12 Stones, Flaw, Drowning Pool....Your going to tell me that Korns' popularity and over hyped "sound" did not help in getting these "Bands" contracts. Korn has in effect created a Frankenstein and it's about time we have something new in the music scene.
Oh by the way I will name a few more interesting groups to your "list" oh I dunno.. let's try Meshuggah, Opeth, At the Gates. Just casue you listen to Power metal, does not make you the Metal King either.
In short Korn's sound is highly overrated and I think that personaly thier are much better bands out there that could use some of Korn's spotlight.
P.S. Im not trying to say I know more then you but, you sure some off that way. MY qualm is not with you but with the mainstream media and thier obession with Korn.
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GrandAdmiralPelleaon
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Im sorry Korn is Highly overrated and thier new album is not that great the songs are simplistic and the whole "de tuning" of music in gereral is nothing more then a fad.
In the Mid 90's Ross Robinson capitalized on a sound and many bands on Road Runner since have treid to copy. Plain and simple that is a trend.
Actually, I don't really like Korn that much, I don't even listen to them regulary but I don't like people coming in and dissing a band because they listen to "better" music. I deal with enough music snobs already online. The whole de-tuning is nothing more then a fad? Sure, I mean, it's not like even good bands like Slayer and Dream Theater have used it occasionaly, oh wait, they have. 2. Korn might not be the end all and be all of music, (I agree) but I don't listen to what mainstream says, I don't copy their opinion of a band. I like some things Korn has done, they were original atleast, it's true that they haven't progressed much from their first album but that doesn't make them a bad band by definition.
And Secondly I was not tying to be a smartass just reacting to your "Enlighten me " qoute. If you want to play the " What I listen to is better game" than we can. A wise person once said just becasue a riff is fast or hewavy sounding does not make it good.
Actually, I did not say "what I listen to is better", that was you, I was saying that you shouldn't say that because my music taste is atleast as good as yours. and your right, just because a riff is fast or heavy sounding doesn't make it good. Did I say so? I don't think so.
Basicly what I am saying is that Korn does not deserve the praise because they have not progressed into anything different from thier first album. They have basicly stuck to the formulaic pattern of many nu-metal Bands.
The difference being that they created the formula. It's not their fault that everybody copy's them. I don't even like Nu Metal, Korn is decent, SOAD is pretty talented as is Mudvayne, for the rest...I can't really stand any of it.
Have you looked at mainstream Music magazines.. all thay talk about is Korn this and Korn that. They are hyped to be the epitome of what music should sound like. That is a shame. I mean serioiusly 12 Stones, Flaw, Drowning Pool....Your going to tell me that Korns' popularity and over hyped "sound" did not help in getting these "Bands" contracts. Korn has in effect created a Frankenstein and it's about time we have something new in the music scene.
Oh by the way I will name a few more interesting groups to your "list" oh I dunno.. let's try Meshuggah, Opeth, At the Gates. Just casue you listen to Power metal, does not make you the Metal King either.
In short Korn's sound is highly overrated and I think that personaly thier are much better bands out there that could use some of Korn's spotlight.
A) I didn't even list that many Metal groups, Pat Metheny is a pretty well known Jazz Guitarist.
b) Opeth = good, but their singer, ugh, I don't like heavy metal voices.
Meshuggah, I don't like them.
At the Gates, Heard of them, haven't heard them.
Check out Spastic Ink if you want a group that makes mindblowing music, their second album should be released pretty soon, their first is out of print though, so you should download it, start with "To Counter & Groove in E-minor".
c) Mainstream Media, I don't listen to them, I don't read them because I will only end up being pissed. Yes, Korn's sound helped those people to a deal but it isn't them that is signing the bands, it's the record companies, they're the Motley Crüe of Nu Metal I suppose, all the rest are Whitsnakes etc.
P.S. Im not trying to say I know more then you but, you sure some off that way. MY qualm is not with you but with the mainstream media and thier obession with Korn.
I hope you aren't, I wouldn't like to start a music snob fight  .
Mainstream media sucks, you're better of checking underground media for good bands. Face it, mainstream will always be 90% crap. There was crap music in the 50, there was crap in the 60, 70, 80's so why would the 90's have been different?
Only the good bands are remembered, remember that. How many people still remember Whitesnake that didn't grow up with them? Not many.
BTW.. Power Metal? lets see, the groups I listed are:
Dream Theater= Prog Metal
Symphony X=Prog Metal
Rush= Prog Rock
Yes= Prog Rock
King Crimson=Prog Rock
Sonic Youth= Noise Rock/Avant Garde
Arab on the Radar= Noise Rock
Pussy Galore= Noise Rock
The Roots= Jazz Rap
Justice System= Jazz Rap
The Pat Metheny Group= Jazz
I don't see any Power Metal on there...
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sith1137
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GrandAdmiralPelleaon
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What?
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sith1137
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7/2/02 8:43pm
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huh?
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KoRn=KrAp
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Seriously, folks. There is a message written on the cover of the Type O Negative album "October Rust" that says it all for bands like Korn, Bizkit, and such...
"Do not mistake lack of talent for genius."
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sith1137
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who says you need to have genious to be good and influential
(although i do agree on the limp bizkit thing)
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GrandAdmiralPelleaon
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Why is it crap? You do not like it so it's crap. Boy that's an interesting way to look at music. I don't like Mozart, he must be crap.
::rolleyes::
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Devilanse
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How can you compare Mozart to Bizkit? There is no comparison. If not for Mozart...every band you like wouldn't exist, Palleon. Think up a better argument.
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hahah, nice one, a) I wasn't defending Bizkit, I was talking about your Korn part. Korn is crap because you don't like them. That's the same thing as me saying "hey Mozart is crap because I don't like his music." (I do like his music, it's an EXAMPLE.)
b) Actually, yes they would, Rock Music, Blues etc were influenced by Afrikan music, tribal music etc. Mozart had little/nothing to do with it. Exept for the Prog bands, your right there.
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