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Adi_Gallia_9 Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/27/02 1:18pm Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~ - Date Edited: 7/27/02 1:18pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Adi_Gallia_9
	I agree Salty. There's a movie I believe is called Jason and the Argonauts that was made probably in the 50s or 60s. Obviously it looks rather outdated with stop motion animation skeletons, etc. If it was remade with good effects and good acting, it could be a commercial success. Sadly, I don't think much of the population has been exposed to mythologys all that much beyond being forced to read the Odysesy in high school. Additionally I think the my favorite myth, the story of Perseus, could make an excellent movie. It has everything a movie needs: romance, adventure, action, intrigue, etc. I am glad to see movies like the Lord of the Rings doing well as it is not very far at all from mythology and is based on the same archetypes. -----signature----- http://rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ My site dedicated to the amazing costumes of Padme and her handmaidens!
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Master Salty Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 7/27/02 1:26pm Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	I'm familiar with the movie Jason and the Argonaughts. That's a great story and the movie should be updated with today's technology. The Hercules series did rather well but I thought it was a bit cheesy. There are many myths that could be made into movies. Unfortunately, the majority of today's youth have no clue how great mythology is. They have no requirement outside of the Illiad and the Odyssey. I love both those stories, but there is whole lot more mythology out there. -----signature----- Blue Yoda Society http://www.blueyodasociety.com
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Adi_Gallia_9 Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/27/02 2:01pm Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	And there's a whole lot more than just Greek and Roman mythology, which is all most students are exposed to. The mythology of Egypt, Norway, Central America, etc. are all rich and diverse and it's a pity those stories aren't as well known. -----signature----- http://rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ My site dedicated to the amazing costumes of Padme and her handmaidens!
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Master Salty Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 7/27/02 2:13pm Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	Beowulf, is my favorite no-Greek/Roman myth. -----signature----- Blue Yoda Society http://www.blueyodasociety.com
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Adi_Gallia_9 Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/27/02 2:17pm Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	I don't know if it counts as mythology, but I've always been fascinated by the story of King Arthur and the stories of his knights. I've never read all of Beuwolf, rather I've read shortened condensed versions of it. I take it it's something I should pick up, Salty? -----signature----- http://rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ My site dedicated to the amazing costumes of Padme and her handmaidens!
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Master Salty Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 7/27/02 2:35pm Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	It's really a great story. You should read the whole thing. As far as King Arthur goes, it has been around so long it might as well be a myth. I happen to believe that at least part of the King Arthur legend is true. If I'm not mistaken there was a king who united most of Britian and it occurred around the same time as the King Arthur legend was supposed to take place. -----signature----- Blue Yoda Society http://www.blueyodasociety.com
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Master Salty Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 7/27/02 2:43pm Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	Origins of Greek Mythology Greek Myths are all that’s left of the ancient Greek religion. About 1200 b.c.e., the residents of, what we would call, Greece and Asia Minor shared a common belief in a group of deities that came to be known as The Olympians. The distillation of the various regional beliefs into a coherent central religion was probably not as tidy and uniform as we would prefer, but it’s fair say that the stories of the Olympians survived because they had the largest number of followers and, most importantly, The Olympians did not forbid or punish the pursuit of knowledge. Beauty, poetry and creative activities are the blessings of The Immortals and are a vital part of the Greek tradition. The Olympians are descended from the primal, self created gods, begining with Kaos. The Olympians are ruled by Zeus. He is the strongest and, as you will see, without him, the other Olympians would still be held captive inside their devious father, Kronos. The Olympians are only a small part of the family of Immortals that rule the earth and sky. The various rivers, mountains and forces of nature are the ’bodies’ of the Immortals and proper respect must always be shown if you wish to have peace at home and safe passage when you travel. The ancient texts we call Greek Myths are mostly from the period known as Classical Greece, circa 500 b.c.e. The stories behind the myths are from a much earlier time but written versions don’t exist before Classical times. The oldest myths can be traced to three main sources: Homer, Hesiod and The Homeric Hymns, circa 800 b.c.e. That means that by the time they were written down, these works had survived 400 years of additions, subtractions and mutations to finally become the versions we now call ’authentic’. The Greek Myths are our window into the distant past, a view of a world that existed not only in the mind of the Greek poets but in the hearts of the humble and long suffering natives of ancient Greece. I thought this was some good information on Greek Mythology. -----signature----- Blue Yoda Society http://www.blueyodasociety.com
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Adi_Gallia_9 Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/27/02 3:06pm Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~ - Date Edited: 7/27/02 3:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Adi_Gallia_9
	Interesting article, Salty. Thank you for posting it. I found it particularly interesting that while I've always viewed the Illiad, for example, as an ancient text (and it is), the Illiad as we know it was probably edited and changed for many centuries. I wonder what stories from our time will endure for hundreds of years. And thanks for the info on Beuwolf. I'm taking AP English this year in school and I actually think I have to read it, so that'll be something to look forward to. There was definately a king Arthur though he was not King Arthur as legend now remembers him. The estimated date of his birth is 470 AD. Historians believe he did become a king of some importance and for a time united the Brits against the Saxons. And many do believe there was a Merlin, though he too is not as legend would have us believe. Rather Merlin, like Homer, was most likely a composite of a group of people; an engineer, a poet, a physcian, etc. Has anyone read Mary Stewart's Arthur books? That's where I got most of my above information. She takes the little that is known about Arthur and Merlin and writes a very fascinating series that isn't fantasy but rather more historical. EDIT: I'm going on vacation for a week or so, so I'll see you all later. -----signature----- http://rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ My site dedicated to the amazing costumes of Padme and her handmaidens!
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obi-wannabe_1138 Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 8/24/02 10:26am Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	Oh wow, yeah, I just read the Mary Stewart Arthur books this summer. They're fantastic! I am SUCH a big Arthurian buff, even writing my own Arthurian novel. I like other mythology too, like some Greek, Roman and Norse stuff, but my favorites are Arthurian and Celtic legends. I even founded what I like to call "SPMAL" the Society for the Prevention of Mutilation of the Arthurian Legends, when I got sick of seeing really dicey, lousy treatments of it in films, etc. OK I'm done ranting now. -----signature----- Currently boycotting theforce.net because of their homophobic and unfair policy regarding romance in fan fic. Support equality: http://jedicouncil-ssr-petition.cjb.net
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jedi_master_sauron Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 8/24/02 1:29pm Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	just i case any one wants to know, there's a mythology thread over in the ATOC section. its been getting a lot more action that this one. check it out - good stuff.
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MariahJade2 Title: Former Fan Fiction Archive Editor Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 8/25/02 10:31am Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	I loved the Mary Stewart books, all four of them. I especially liked the way she delved into the pre-christian beliefs of the time. -----signature----- Have a question or suggestion for the Archive? Ask the NEWBS! Thank you Phillies! World Series Champs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7CI39brXvw "Why can't us" Best line of 2008
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ILLUMINATUS_JEDI Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 8/25/02 12:17pm Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	I'm a big fan of Mythology, espicaillly Chinese and Norse. But isn't it true if you enjoy the Myths of a certain country you must enjoy the culture. Personally, I don't like reading Analysis' of Myths as it takes away the fun and reading pleasure of the Myths. In English ( face_silly] ) that means it Ruins them -----signature----- "Pellaeon could have mustered a single Sector Fleet, BDZ`d the Killik Home world in 15 minutes, joined with the Chiss Empire to hunt down the Dark Nest, and completely negated the Killik “threat”. Never send a group of NJO Children to do an Imperial’s Job
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Wild_Huntress Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 8/26/02 9:45am Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	Naw, me, I'm the analytical type..... -----signature----- Currently boycotting theforce.net because of their homophobic and unfair policy regarding romance in fan fic. Support equality: http://jedicouncil-ssr-petition.cjb.net
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Master Salty Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 8/26/02 7:46pm Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	Hmmm...I'm going to have to check out these books by Mary Stewart. Thanks for the information about the AOTC thread but I think this thread is better suited for this forum. -----signature----- Blue Yoda Society http://www.blueyodasociety.com
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Jedi_Master_Mom Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 8/27/02 8:31am Subject: RE: ~~Mount Olympus Mythology Palace~~
	Dierdre and the Sons of Uisnach When Dierdre was born, Cathbad the Druid predicted she would be the most beautiful woman and that she would marry a foreign king, but that she would bring ruin to Ireland. Conchobar said if she would be so beautiful, he would marry her, and because he isn't foreign, would thus break the prophecy. Her nurse Lavarcham helped keep ker isolated as she grew up to be VERY beautiful. In midwinter, she looks out a window and sees a hired hand who's just killed a calf for dinner. There is blood on the snow. Ravens come down. She says, "I want a man with those three colors. Hair as black as the raven, skin as white as the snow, and lips as red as blood." This is not Conchobar. Lavarcham knows of such a man: Naoise [na EE see], eldest son of Uisnach. The other sons are Ardan and Ainle. She falls in love with Naoise on first sight and he with her. So they flee to Alba. But local kings keep falling in love with Dierdre, so they have to keep moving. Dierdre, Naoise, Ardan, and Ainle sit around a lot and play chess. Conchobar makes a plan. He goes to the heroes (Cuchulinn, Laegaire, and Conall) and asks what they would do if their king broke his word. Their answer was, "Wreak havoc -- king or no king." Conchobar goes to Fergus, his uncle and poses the same question. Fergus responds, "I would stay loyal -- he is the king." So Conchobar tells Fergus that he would like him to bring Dierdre, Naoise, Ardan, and Ainle back because he has forgiven all. Fergus believes him. Conchobar asks Fergus' oath that he will let nothing interfere with his getting them back. Fergus takes his two sons Ilann and Buinne [Ilann the Fair and Buinne the Ruthless Red] with him to Alba. He invites the four back. Dierdre is sure Conchobar is lying. But Fergus says that Conchobar gave his word. The four accede, Dierdre protesting. They sail back. Just after landing, they go through a kingdom and meet a prince who stops them. The prince had gotten a secret letter from Conchobar. He invites Fergus to stay for dinner. Fergus is under a geis that he may NEVER refuse to eat, but he has given an oath to Conchobar that he will bring Dierdre, Naoise, Ardan, and Ainle back directly. So he sends his two sons. Dierdre is suspicious. But they go. All the knights stay in Conchobar's castle. He also has a longhouse called the Red Branch House. They know if he puts them in the Red Branch House, there will be trouble for them. Conchobar sends for Lavarcham, who says that Dierdre is no longer beautiful but actually ugly. A man named Trendhorn says, "Let me go and see. I'll tell you if she's still beautiful." Trendhorn has a grudge against Naoise and his brothers. They won't let him in. He climbs up on the roof (while they're playing chess). He finds a skylight. Naoise sees him and throws a chess piece, knocking out one of Trendhorn's eyes. He says to Conchobar, "I got a glimpse of Dierdre, and it was worth losing my eye." Conchobar wants her. His formidable knights would never think of helping him in this. So he hires mercenaries. They attack in waves. Buinne comes out and is hacking them to bits. The king bribes Buinne, who sells out for a parcel of land (a very sad event). The moment Buinne sells out, that parcel of land becomes sterile. Ilann is mortified and lives in shame forever. Angry, killing right and left, Conchobar's son Fiancha goes into battle and takes Conchobar's magic shield which will scream anytime the bearer is in danger. Ilann engages Fiancha in battle. Ilann is clearly winning. Conall the Victorious hears the king's shield screaming and assumes the king is in danger. He draws his sword and kills Ilann, realizing too late who it is. He wheels around and decapitates Fiancha on the spot. But Ilann is gone. Conchobar recognizes his defeat. He calls Cathbad and asks him to cast a glamour to get Dierdre, Naoise, Ardan, and Ainle out. But he's a good man. Conchobar must give his word he will not harm the four before Cathbad accedes. Everyone inside thinks a flood hit and they make their way out swimming under water. The mercenaries grab them and tie them up. And Conchobar orders their execution. No one will perform the task. Not even the mercenaries. Finally Trendhorn (a Norwegian) volunteers because he hates them so much. Each wants to be the first to die. Trendhorn lines them up and, with one blow, decapitates them all. Conchobar takes Dierdre to be his wife. She refuses to speak to him or touch him. But the prophecy came true anyway. And Conchobar is ready to give her up. She's in a chariot one day and she leaps out and bashes her head against a rock and dies. Fergus, furious, leaves and goes to Connacht. Dierdre is recognized as the saddest woman who ever lived. She did nothing to deserve her misery. Dierdre = "sadness." -----signature----- *All Hail Blue Yoda!* Blue Yoda Society/Knight The Crackbrained Lunatic of Bawdy Blueness and Underpants
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