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starwars6554
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Date Posted:
12/8/02 9:07pm
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The Ender's Game series
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Has anybody else found these books as interesting and worthwhile as I have? I'm currently reading Xenocide, and I'm loving it.
Feel free to discuss anything about the books, but please no spoilers. I plan on reading all of the books. 
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starwars6554
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12/9/02 10:50pm
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Anybody? Anybody at all? 
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JediAnne
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12/10/02 8:12am
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Ive read them all they are great!! CHILDREN OF THE MIND is kind of bizarre though. But good!
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starwars6554
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12/10/02 4:57pm
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My friend told me that there is a new one coming out. That's BS right?
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I just spoke with Mr. Card last month, and asked him about this. He said that once he finished writing the Shadow series, he will write a sequel to Childred of the Mind, which will tie the Ender and Shadow series' together. The book is set for release in 2005, but it still hasn't been written, so that is an uncertain number.
I also feel that the Ender series is more than worthwhile, and is by far the greatest collection of literature at least in the twentieth century, and ranks high up in all the history of literature. The more I re-read and analyse the books, the more I am convinced of this. I'll give my reasoning some other time, I just don't have enough time to do this right now.
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solojones
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Date Posted:
12/10/02 7:42pm
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I was going to read those back in 8th grade, but never got around to it. They are up there on the list. My friend gave me a book by Orson Scott Card for my bday on writting speculative fiction. It reminded me that I should read his books.
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I haven't read these books, but a friend of mine keeps telling me they're great and insisting that I read them. I definitely intend to do so!
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starwars6554
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solojones - Go to your bookstore right now (I don't care if its closed  ) and pick yourself up a copy of Ender's Game, the first book in the series. It will be well worth it
So there's a new book in the works huh? Coolies 
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The_Storm
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12/11/02 10:28am
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I read this series when I was 14, and it was a great story. I cant believe how much I was into it. I even tried to write some short stories based on the characters from the book.
Its funny, I've seen some Mazor references on the JC here and there, but few people seem to refernce Ender. I think there was a lot in the series that I idetified with - especially his family, his inner rage, and his overall sadness.
A great read that I highly reccommend to anyone!
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Well, I read the first one, it was okay, but not impressive enough to make me want to read the others. Quite honestly I couldn't stand Ender as a character, something about him got under my skin and wouldn't let me enjoy the book all that much. But if you guys disagree, more power to you.
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12/11/02 1:00pm
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The original "Ender's Game" is a near-classic.. That book was a joy to read..
The second book in the series, "Speaker for the Dead" was also worthwhile, although it is a different kind of book...
After that, I found i wasn't able to continue to care...I made it halfway thru "Xenocide" (which was absolutely excrutiating), and then gave up..
I have "Children of the Mind" at home sitting on my bookshelf, but i doubt i'll ever get to reading it (at least not in the near future)..
I did pick up "Ender's Shadow", but was greatly disappointed...Felt that that book actually hurt the Ender saga (and more specifically the character of Ender!), more then anything...
I think that Card's ego has gotten the better of him..He began to believe his own press, and thus his writing has suffered....
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12/11/02 1:10pm
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Drew,
I so agree.
"Ender's Game" - One of the best books I have ever read.
"Speaker for the Dead" - also up there on my list of awesome books.
"Xenocide" - I was half way through it when I decided that it needed to be buried and never found again. I just couldn't get into it. Card's writing seemed to change so dramatically that it almost felt like he didn't write it.
I refused to pick up any more Ender books lest they go the way of Xenocide. I loved Ender in the first two and began to not like him in the third.
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starwars6554
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That's too bad that you guys feel that way, I love Xenocide.
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12/11/02 6:28pm
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I started the first one because I'd heard so many people talking about how great the Ender books were, but I didn't really care for it. I think the idea for the story was excellent, but for some reason I didn't like the way it was written. I wouldn't go out of my way to read it again.
But that's just me.
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It's important to remember that Xenocide isn't a complete work. The climax and conclusion don't even begin until the last chapter, and continue into the next book. Xenocide is a whole lot of philosophy, character development, science, discussion, and dialogue. It does not follow the traditional form of intro-rising action-climax-resolution-conclusion. The most interesting three of those fit into Children of the Mind, which also has been critisized because it does not follow this form either. Obviously it doesn't follow the same form, because the introduction and the "setting of the scene" are not present in the book. Xenocide and Children of the Mind were meant to be a single book, but together they exceeded the 1000 page limit set on novels, and so had to be separated into two books, which individually are not much to rant about, but together form the second part to one of the greatest stories in literature, as well as possibly the best written.
Enders Game and Speaker for the Dead were meant to be one novel. The prologue would have been too unwieldy, and had to be separated. That is how we now have the Ender's Game novel, and which also turned out to be the best individual novel of the series.
The Ender series will never be considered "classics" because they do not follow the standard and most accepted form of writing "classic" books, and were meant to be done in that way. They are not rife with symbolism, dripping with quoteable lines, filled with reoccuring themes, motifs, symbols, and allusions, do not have representations and satires of current events, and don't keep their plot lines separate and traceable like the grains in a board of wood They are meant to be free-flowing, realistic, and truthful. While books like Catcher in the Rye, Montana 1948, Pride and Prejudice, and Charles Dickins' works are considered classics, they are given that title because they do have all of those things that I listed above. In real life we do not have symbols which represent the actions or feelings we have. The piece of litter outside the courtroom does not represent our thoughts and feelings, and is not foreshadowing what is yet to come. When was the last time that something you did had a theme or motif that one could write about? How often does your life follow plot lines which separate you from all of reality except for the one task or story which you are living out? When did you getting pickpocketed on the streets of New York represent a satirical view of current events? Never, you say? Then I guess that those things aren't really realistic. This is what Card has said, and why he does not write his books in the standard style of the "classics". They are written realistically and truthfully, with events and stories that could really happen, and not in ways which create a fanciful picture of reality or an improbable series of events.
I also feel that the Shadow Series is not a detriment to the Ender Saga, but instead expands, augments, and brings life and controversy to areas which had only been briefly touched upon. Some of the greatest writing, character development, and characterization is present in the three new novels. It is also in the Shadow series which holds the most complex character that I have found in all of literature: Peter. He is not explainable by any means. His motives and desires are clear, but at the same time jumbled and confused. His morals are first questionable, then honorable, then deplorable, and then all at the same time. All at once, he is a noble servant, a greedy businessman, a shrewd diplomat, a helpful friend, an honorable rebel, an ambitous politician, a despised villian, a beloved hero, the savior, the antichrist, and the glue which holds the world together. And all of these different aspects and personalities are wrapped up and presented in the most difficult way possible: a believable one. I could keep gushing over how Card has created the greatest character in literature, and find a list of different traits and aspects which flow together perfectly, but I'm too tired to try right now.
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