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DarthMak
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Date Posted:
7/13 3:44pm
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RE: Cheesehead Haven
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Now I'm reading that Ted Thompson never received a letter from Favre. Until Mr. Favre says it himself, I refuse to believe any source.
Now, if Favre is released and signs with the Vikings, I know for a fact that espn(the worldwide leader in total garbage) had a hand in it. Week 1, Minnesota coming to Green Bay, would probably be the most anticipated regular season football game in history. And they'll be sure to tell you every 10 seconds that it will be live on espn. 
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General Kenobi
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Date Posted:
7/13 3:57pm
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RE: Cheesehead Haven
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Let's assume that the Packers do not release or trade Favre. That gives him the option of staying retired, or reporting to training camp with the Packers. Let's say he reports.
Thompson says that Aaron Rodgers is the starter. That's a fine thing to say at this point, before training camp - the offense is designed around him. But does he truly want to say that there won't be open competition for the QB spot? That's ludicrous. The best player should win the starting spot. Throughout last season, though Rodgers looked decent when he played, that QB was obviously Favre. So Mike McCarthy and his staff will have to rework the offense to suit Favre again if he beats out Rodgers. I don't think that's gonna be a huge problem.
Can you imagine the boos at Lambeau when Rodgers is introduced if a healthy Favre is sitting on the bench?
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Darth Dark Helmet
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7/13 4:12pm
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That's why I don't think will ever happen. I see one of three scenarios playing out here.
1. The Packers don't budge, Favre stays retired, isn't granted a release, or traded. Rodgers is the starting QB.
2. The Packers trade Favre to an AFC team, or release him under the condition that he cannot sign with an NFC north team.
3. The Packers give in and bring Favre back, this scenario also includes them trading Aaron Rodgers. If Favre is on the active roster, Rodgers will not be.
After everything that's gone on, I don't think Rodgers wants to spend another season as a back up, and he won't. I think one way or another, he will be a starting QB this season, either with the Packers, or with some other team they've traded him to.
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JMJacenSolo
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Date Posted:
7/13 4:31pm
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General Kenobi posted:
Thompson says that Aaron Rodgers is the starter. That's a fine thing to say at this point, before training camp - the offense is designed around him. But does he truly want to say that there won't be open competition for the QB spot? That's ludicrous. The best player should win the starting spot. Throughout last season, though Rodgers looked decent when he played, that QB was obviously Favre. So Mike McCarthy and his staff will have to rework the offense to suit Favre again if he beats out Rodgers. I don't think that's gonna be a huge problem.
Favre can't play forever, though. Do you risk losing a young, potential future franchise quarterback for one more year of Favre? And then of course, this whole circus begins anew next year. The Packers have to move forward at some point, and as they said, Favre's retirement was that point. Personally, I think they're being both petty and stupid for not releasing him.
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General Kenobi
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7/13 4:35pm
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Well, if they don't want him - decide to "cut bait" as it were - then a trade makes the most sense. They can make sure he doesn't end up in the NFC North (or any other team they don't want), and probably get a draft pick. Maybe a third or fourth round pick.
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JMJacenSolo
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General Kenobi posted:
Well, if they don't want him - decide to "cut bait" as it were - then a trade makes the most sense. They can make sure he doesn't end up in the NFC North (or any other team they don't want), and probably get a draft pick. Maybe a third or fourth round pick.
They should try to trade him, but I believe it was John Clayton who pointed out that the length and value of Favre's deal essentially amounts to a player option no-trade clause. If they can't work out a deal to trade him, I think it is petty of them not to release him.
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General Kenobi
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7/13 6:19pm
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Hmm, he has a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract. He tells them he's done, so they begin to move on. Then at the very end of the off-season, he changes his mind. Now of course there may be more to the situation than we realize (and I'm fully ready to hang some blame on Ted Thompson for possibly "pushing" Favre to retire), but as it looks, I wouldn't exactly call them petty for protecting their interests.
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Darth Dark Helmet
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7/13 6:58pm
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I don't think the Packers have to do anything. If they decide not to release or trade him, and he doesn't want to play for them, I might be wrong, but I don't think there's a whole lot he can do about it, except make noise in the media.
If I was the Packers, there is no way I give him an unconditional release. I might try to trade him, but if he doesn't want to be a part of it, then...that's it.
I think it is petty of them not to release him.
Why? They hold the rights, he signed the contract with them. They gave him a chance to change his mind. In March (after he retired) Favre called up Thompson and said he'd changed his mind. He thought he wanted to play again. Thompson and McCarthy left the Owner's meetings and were about to fly to Mississippi to meet with him and annouce it, they were going to take him back. Then Favre cancelled the meeting, saying he'd changed his mind again and wanted to stay retired.
I love Favre, he's the greatest QB I have ever seen play, but at some point this has to stop. He can't hold a team hostage like that and expect them drop everything to appease his wishes. Now, the Packers have spent an entire off season preparing and game planning for Rodgers as the starter. I think if I was in charge, I'd do the same thing. At some point, everyone just to move on.
He had his chance to be the GB starting QB. Yes, he's given a lot to this team, and organization, but he has been very well compensated by the Packers for that over the years. They have paid him a lot of money, so I don't think they owe him anything.
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JMJacenSolo
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7/13 7:44pm
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Darth Dark Helmet posted:
At some point, everyone just has to move on.
Favre wants to move on, but he can't. I agree that he's to some extent reaping what he had sown over the past few years(being pressured into an early decision this year because of the waffling the previous couple years), but come on. It's not like he concocted this scheme to get out of Green Bay and play for another team. This is a guy who is just plain in love with the game of football, and made a huge mistake. And seriously, you or any other Packer fans didn't "compensate" Brett Favre one cent for his sixteen years. I seriously don't mean to take a cheap shot, but the fanbase has been awfully forgiving of Brett's on the field mistakes the past few years, why not just one more pardon?
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DarthIntegral
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7/13 7:49pm
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I wouldn't call the Packers "petty" for trying to do what's best to field a competitive team in both the long- and short-term.
And, that's the real issue they should be worried about anyways. Let Brett worry about his reputation, his legacy, and that stuff. The Packers should just worry about what's best for them.
And in no way does that include a release from his contract.
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DarthMak
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Date Posted:
7/13 8:11pm
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RE: Cheesehead Haven
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Darth Dark Helmet posted:
The Packers trade Favre to an AFC team, or release him under the condition that he cannot sign with an NFC north team.
That would be fine but according to the "letter", it states that Favre should have the option to sign with any other team and he has earned that right.
Boy, I recall a story a couple months back about a Favre sighting in Minnesota and his agent simply said he wanted to get as far away from football as possible(funny if you think about that), but now you gotta wonder.
I think the bottom line of this entire story is, either Favre or Rodgers will be gone because of this saga.
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Darth Dark Helmet
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7/13 9:09pm
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RE: Cheesehead Haven
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DarthMak posted:
[quote=Darth Dark Helmet]The Packers trade Favre to an AFC team, or release him under the condition that he cannot sign with an NFC north team.
That would be fine but according to the "letter", it states that Favre should have the option to sign with any other team and he has earned that right.
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I know, but I don't think the Packers will allow him that option. For the big reason that I think Minnesota is where he wants to go. He's worked with Derrel Bevell before, and they have a strong defense and Adrian Peterson. Yes, he said in the letter that he wants an unconditional release, but I simply don't think the Pack will let him have it.
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Drac39
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I really don't get where all these stories about Favre having a huge ego come from, he's been nothing but a fine sport and a gentlemen in his career.
As for him signing with the Vikings, I really don't know about that one. I think he has enough respect for the Packers organization not to do that. That would be a huge betrayal to the fans in Green Bay.
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JMJacenSolo
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7/13 11:40pm
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Drac39 posted:
I really don't get where all these stories about Favre having a huge ego come from, he's been nothing but a fine sport and a gentlemen in his career.
He's tended to refuse to talk to the media after poor performances in playoff games and, frankly, he had a piss poor attitude towards helping Rodgers' development after he was drafted. I'm not sure if egomaniac is the word, but he's definitely self-absorbed to a degree.
Inty posted:
I wouldn't call the Packers "petty" for trying to do what's best to field a competitive team in both the long- and short-term.
And, that's the real issue they should be worried about anyways. Let Brett worry about his reputation, his legacy, and that stuff. The Packers should just worry about what's best for them.
And in no way does that include a release from his contract.
I suppose I'm being an idealist, but sometimes, you should just do the right thing.
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Two things.
While Brett has handled this poorly this is no different than Gordie Howe, Michael Jordan, Vinny Testaverde, Roger Clemens and just about any boxer who has retired then changed their mind. He's not the first and it won't be the last an athlete to do it.
If Irv was still alive would Brett be doing this? I say no.
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