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imperial_dork Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 12/6/06 12:15pm Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread. - Date Edited: 12/6/06 12:16pm (1 edits total) Edited By: imperial_dork
	DurronFan posted: I tend to love tight low-scoring games AS LONG AS there are as many scoring opportunities as there are in a high-scoring one. A bunch of scuffling with only "dirty" or lucky (random defelctions) goals once or twice a game is what made the NHL fall well behind the NBA, NFL and MLB. I completely agree with you there. A good example of a rule change I don't like is disallowing the goalie from playing the puck in the corner. It just seems like it's one of those arbitrary changes, unless there's a good explaination that I might've missed. The thing that irks me the most though is the new schedule. Partially because I will only be able to see the Devils once every three years. But I also think the reasoning that it will create new rivalries is flawed and seeing the same conference match-ups, several more times a year, is already getting a little stale. -----signature----- Vinnuendo
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Boba_Fett_2001 Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 12/6/06 5:45pm Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	Oilers and Hurricanes play tonight. Should be good. -----signature----- Everyone is entitled to my opinion. Go Toronto sports teams! All Hail Cliegg's Blue Leg!
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DurronFan Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 12/6/06 11:39pm Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	imperial_dork posted: A good example of a rule change I don't like is disallowing the goalie from playing the puck in the corner. It just seems like it's one of those arbitrary changes, unless there's a good explaination that I might've missed. I haven't read the explanation for it but I do know that there does exist a reason for it. I think the real reason it irks you is that Brodeur, who was very proficient at playing the puck behind the net, can't do that anymore. I can understand the frustration of Brodeur since he practiced quite hard to become a master in stickhandling pucks in the corner. But like I said, the Devils didn't suffer too much from the rule changes. They adjusted quite well. I'd say the Devils suffered a lot more from losing Stevens and Niedermyer. I don't know if they've still managed to recover from that. I'll hold any statements on that account until I see how good a leader Elias is come playoff time. -----signature----- Luke Skywalker: I'm not afraid! Yoda: Good... You will be. You will be.
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imperial_dork Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 12/7/06 8:10am Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	DurronFan posted: I think the real reason it irks you is that Brodeur, who was very proficient at playing the puck behind the net, can't do that anymore. I can understand the frustration of Brodeur since he practiced quite hard to become a master in stickhandling pucks in the corner. Oh, I won't lie, that's definitely a big part of it. But, in general, I always liked seeing goalies play the puck and, in some cases, pay for it. DurronFan posted: But like I said, the Devils didn't suffer too much from the rule changes. They adjusted quite well. I'd say the Devils suffered a lot more from losing Stevens and Niedermyer. Can't argue there. Basically my problem is that I tend to be a traditionalist, and an admittedly stubborn one at that. I still get irritated at the renaming of the conferences/divisions to the current, bland, geographical ones. -----signature----- Vinnuendo
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Master_Kast7 Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 12/7/06 11:19am Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	Well Baron the Isles have the early lead on us. You worried? I'm not. ~Liar, lawyer, Mirror for ya, What's the difference? Kangaroo be stoned, He's guilty as the government~ -----signature----- Sir "My Sarcasm Detector Points To Zero" of The Knights of The 3SA/JCC Sarcasm Table Yankees Till I Die! I'm Yankees Till I Die! I Know I Am! I'm Sure I Am! I'm Yankees Till I Die!
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Yodave27 Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 12/7/06 12:34pm Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	Master_Kast7 posted: Well Baron the Isles have the early lead on us. You worried? I'm not. ~Liar, lawyer, Mirror for ya, What's the difference? Kangaroo be stoned, He's guilty as the government~ I'm not worried, either. -----signature----- The 2008 New York Mets: insert gag noises here Different verse, same as the first.
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Saruman-the-White Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 12/7/06 11:18pm Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	No need to worry, the Rangers have already leapfrogged the Isles. Shanahan is a godsend. -----signature----- Gibbets and crows! Dotard! What is the house of Rohan but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll on the floor among the dogs!
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imperial_dork Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 12/8/06 7:51am Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	Ugh. I was watching the St. Louis/Detroit game last night and couldn't believe some of the calls/non-calls. The Blues got away with several major infractions (hits from behind, late hits, player leaving his feet, etc), while every tiny little hook was called if a player so muched as breathed on another in their own zone. All the commentators could say at several points during the game was, "wow". There needs to be some middle ground here. Open up the game, yes... but let's have a little common sense when calling some of these weenie penalties. If it doesn't directly affect the play, let it go. You know something's wrong when Henrik Zetterberg leads Red Wings in penalty minutes. -----signature----- Vinnuendo
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DurronFan Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 12/10/06 2:54am Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	Flames beat Canucks 5-3! We're slowly inching closer to the Northwest division lead. Lol@Avs for losing to the Kings! Who would've thought that they'd be at the bottom of this division? -----signature----- Luke Skywalker: I'm not afraid! Yoda: Good... You will be. You will be.
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ApolloSmileGirl Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 12/10/06 3:39am Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	Anyone see that fluke shot that Jere Lehtinen shot against Phoenix, in OT, last night? -----signature----- Queen " Baadasssss Pixie" of the Knights of the Sarcasm Table GK edit: That's more than enough. VIN
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DurronFan Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 12/10/06 6:12am Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	I read about it. He admitted himself that they were pretty lucky. -----signature----- Luke Skywalker: I'm not afraid! Yoda: Good... You will be. You will be.
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DarkPrince Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 12/10/06 8:19am Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	Well, I wouldn't call the Devils playing boring hockey lately. Last night they beat Boston 5-1 and almost everyone contributed in some way whether it was an assist or a goal. They're on a winning streak so far, 5 game win-streak. I've also noticed that they playing ten-times better hockey then they did over the road-trip since their first game back home. Devils are no two points ahead of the Rangers for the division and still hold 3rd place in the standings. They play Buffalo on tuesday. -----signature----- GamePlasma: http://www.gameplasma.com Devils: 21-13-3 Lets Go Devils!! Gamertag: Restless Devil
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Baron-Soontir-Fel Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 12/10/06 9:37am Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	DurronFan posted: Lol@Avs for losing to the Kings! Who would've thought that they'd be at the bottom of this division? Considering their fall from their normally lofty heights last year, you could say the restructuring of the league has had a pretty big effect on them. And yes, DarkPrince, the Devils finally waited to play a terrible Bruins team to explode. Bravo. Another indictment of Bettman and NHL leadership in general: December 10, 2006 -- OTTAWA - And so, somehow, despite the in creasing number of empty seats in arenas across the continent in the second season of the post-cancellation era, and the alarming number of empty seats in the lower tiers of at least one third of the buildings across the league, NHL revenues are increasing. Somehow, the salary cap will increase next year. Revenues are projected to increase approximately four-to-five percent over the $2.178B number on which the $44M cap was set for this season. This means the 2007-08 cap will be based on approximately $2.265B, with the players' collective cut increasing to 55 percent of the gross at $2.2B. This means the cap will be somewhere between $46.5M and $47.5M. And if the revenues are truly increasing - there will be no, uh, independent audit of the figures by an interested third party given the number of confidentiality agreements between the NHL and NHLPA regarding revenue calculations and stipulations - it's because fans across the continent are paying higher ticket prices than they were not only last year, but in 2003-04, the season before the lockout. How much higher? The NHL won't say, but one official privy to the financial reports told Slap Shots this week following the Board of Governors meetings, "Yes, they've increased a lot [compared to the year before the lockout.]" So much for Gary Bettman's campaign pledge that the lockout and cancelled season would make the game more affordable for the fans. So much for the commissioner's declaration the league couldn't even consider a $44M hard cap in order to avoid canceling 2004-05 when the players were prepared to swallow that number. So much for the laughable and contemptible coverage of the lockout issues by the media. Bettman went on the stump to talk about linkage day after day, week after week, month after month, during the lockout. He was talking about linkage between revenues and payrolls and he was just as surely talking about linkage between a hard cap and lower ticket prices. That was the hook he used to drum up popular support. Two years later, it's as big a joke as it was then. Ticket prices never were and never will be linked to payrolls or contracts. Ticket prices are determined by supply and demand. Always have been, always will be. Bettman and his allies - including once independent thinkers in the press who have shamefully rolled over for the home team, national product here in Canada - just move on. They like to pretend he didn't really mean what he said. Like when on Feb. 16, 2005 he said the league couldn't even ask the Board of Governors to consider a cap as high as $44M. The lockout and cancellation were imposed for two reasons, and neither had anything to do with keeping the game more affordable for the fans. The lockout and ultimate achievement of the hard cap increased franchise values. The lockout, cancelled season and ultimate achievement of the hard cap cost Bob Goodenow his job as head of the Players' Association. The removal of Goodenow from power was always a primary objective of the Board and of Bettman. Others grope for answers to explain the empty seats and declining television ratings, even - according to early calculations this year - across Canada. But the answer is clear, even if the true believers cannot allow themselves to admit it. It was the cancelled season. The cancelled season marginalized the NHL as a mainstream league in the Lower 48 to a degree that would have unimaginable five years ago. The season without hockey gave the media decision-makers the excuse they needed (and may always have been seeking) to make hockey as dead to them as Fredo was to Michael in "Godfather II." There is essentially no television coverage of the league. Newspaper coverage has been slashed dramatically across its major U.S. markets. This is not reflective of issues within the newspaper industry, as Bettman likes to pretend, for newspaper s are not cutting back on their 24/7/365 coverage of King Baseball or of the NFL. This is, instead, reflective of issues in Bettman's league. Attendance is down. It's likely down by considerably more than the reported numbers, as those merely reflect tickets distributed. The Penguins - forever looking to the league and their government for a bailout - were below 15,000 announced for six of their first 15 home games even with Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin having been dropped in their laps. The lower tier is half-empty for nearly every Devils game. There are thousands of empties downstairs almost every night in Detroit. The Islanders can't get people to come. Just look. Everyone can see. But that's OK. The league is in great shape. How do we know? Ticket prices are going up. -----signature----- "Yeah, the Bill of Rights, don't it say something about going after what makes you happy? ...My point is, I'm pursuing something and nobody looks too happy about it." -Rocky Balboa
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Zaz Title: Manager, The Ampitheatre Registered: Oct '98	Date Posted: 12/10/06 9:32pm Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	Very interesting, and probably pretty accurate. Of course, if the league contracts---which it should---Bettman is toast.
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Yodave27 Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 12/11/06 4:11pm Subject: RE: Rangers Suck! The NHL Discussion Thread.
	That article is awesome, Baron. The price of Islanders tickets is insane, to be honest. Last night I saw a Jets game from the first level of Giants Stadium for $70. The same seat for an Islanders gmae would cost me $120. $120!!! Ridiculous. -----signature----- The 2008 New York Mets: insert gag noises here Different verse, same as the first.
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