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Rohniss
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thats only on EPSN, who as I have always said is biased against Alabama.
There are only two Major recruiting services, Scout and Rivals (the largest recruiting service). Coincidently they both ranked us #1.
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2008
http://rivals100.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=0
Also, ESPN's is out of date, we've signed Jones. Seriously, for "the world wide leader in sports" get your facts right, they are probably waiting to try to spin it someway thats negative to us. Also according to my sources on other forums ESPN weighs their rankings on their ESPN top 150, which is basically self-promotion.
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also #1 for Sporting News:
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=347962
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Talk about ESPN bias, the establishment of recruiting (rivals, scouts, Tom Lemming) had my Irish ranked number one all year long until some swapping with Florida at the end for the top spot. All the while they (espn) had ND ranked down around the ten spot until they added Kapron Lewis-Moore a few days ago.
I noticed that they'd been kinda doing the same thing to 'Bama. Obviously they are the new kid on the block and they want to make a name by changing things up.
I'm surprised the Tide had that many scholarships to give out in a year, it's well over a third of all available scholarship players for a team. That's assuming that they all pass admissions and stick around.
ND still has a chance to grab the #1 spot back from the Tide tonight though, Milton Knox is a 4 star RB from So Cal that's expected to pick either ND or UCLA and could put the Blue and Gold over the top.
Still, no matter who else ND could have possibly landed the biggest ND "get" this off season was Jon Tenuta from Georgia Tech. Can't wait for September!
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Technically we can only sign 25 for a year, max, but we have plenty of scholarships to give out thanks to the Fat One over at Tennessee. However, some are gonna go JUCO for grades, one is going to sign but without a football scholarship (Bryant Academic Scholarship), another is gonna do Minor League Baseball plus Football (not eligible for scholarship), They've played with the numbers so that everyone will get in that can, or go JUCO/prep if they cant. Ah the upside to sanctions, when its finally over, we have plenty of schollies to give away. 
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Ugh, Cal's recruiting class gives me nothing to cheer about. Not a single blue-chip prospect... We didn't even get the Bay Area's top player this year (unlike the past few, with Lynch, Jackson, etc). But, Cal signed a lot of WRs, which was what they needed.
Quite frankly, either Tedford believes this class is better than what Rivals.com thinks, or nobody wants to play for a team like Cal. I think it's both.
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I really think recruiting competition hurts Cal. They have the entire PAC-10 competing for the elite Cali kids which would make more than enough to go around, but then other national powers come in (like an ND) and take another couple of top kids from the state.
It's just not like that in Ohio where I'm from for instance. We have high school football that's almost as good as California, but only 2 or 3 schools legitimately competing for the top 5% of the talent (Michigan, OSU, and ND). Since Cal really doesn't recruit nationally they are in a bit of a bind. Tedford has done a solid job of developing the kids he can bring in however. With Rick coming in to UCLA things may only get tougher at Cal, but maybe the NCAA will grow a pair and sanction USC and the Poodle.
And I'm all for the Tide rising again... I'm not a fan of Saban in the slightest, but the SEC has the shadiest coach in all the land with Urban Liar, I mean Meyer. I'd love to see him finish with a .500 record one of these years, and if it takes a decent Alabama team to do it then so be it.
EDIT: Recruiting rankings if you want to take quantity out of the equation.
Scout - Avg Stars
1. Notre Dame - 3.96
2. Ohio State - 3.84
3. USC - 3.83
4. Oklahoma - 3.76
5. Georgia - 3.70
Rivals - Avg Stars
1. Notre Dame - 3.96
2. USC - 3.89
3. Florida - 3.82
4. Oklahoma - 3.81
5. Ohio State - 3.79
To me I think this is the most important indicator of where a team is or is heading. Obviously there isn't a ton of difference between the teams on there but it kind of levels the rankings instead of penalizing a USC or OSU (or even ND) for taking fewer players than something crazy in the 30s. If you're wondering, Alabama was 9th and 6th respectively which still shows they recruited a solid class but a lot of those kids won't be practicing with the Tide next fall.
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Clemson finishes #2 in ESPN and around 10 in the other sites. But also keep in mind that Rivals and such want to sell and Notre Dame has a big following and they have supposedly had a top class the last few seasons and we all know where they are now.
Daquan Bowers will be a beast for us and Harper is a great signing and Harmon is a great steal from those brainwashing Georgia Bulldogs.
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Obese_1_Ka-Blooey posted:
Ugh, Cal's recruiting class gives me nothing to cheer about. Not a single blue-chip prospect... We didn't even get the Bay Area's top player this year (unlike the past few, with Lynch, Jackson, etc). But, Cal signed a lot of WRs, which was what they needed.
Quite frankly, either Tedford believes this class is better than what Rivals.com thinks, or nobody wants to play for a team like Cal. I think it's both.
Which Jackson are you talking about? DeSean Jackson is from SoCal. There are a lot of people down here that are still shocked that he chose Cal over USC a few years ago.
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^ Whoops, I should have stated that differently. I meant to say that Cal got neither the Bay Area's top prospect (thanks to U$C) nor a 5-star "blue-chip" prospect this year. I jumbled it together...
I'm still dazed by DeSean's choice, even after he's left and gone.
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rechedelphar posted:
Clemson finishes #2 in ESPN and around 10 in the other sites. But also keep in mind that Rivals and such want to sell and Notre Dame has a big following and they have supposedly had a top class the last few seasons and we all know where they are now.
Daquan Bowers will be a beast for us and Harper is a great signing and Harmon is a great steal from those brainwashing Georgia Bulldogs.
Nah, not buying that. Our previous coach had a few classes that were ranked in the 30s and 40s by all the recruiting companies, and those classes just happen to be the seniors and juniors on last year's team. Which is obviously why ND was so bad. If what you're saying is true than they would have ranked Willingham's classes high too, but they didn't.
The last two ND classes were consensus top 10 classes but those kids were either true freshmen or sophomores. ND had seven seniors on the team and 22 freshmen got significant playing time. This year ND should compete for a BCS bowl game and in 2009 should be fighting for the title.
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Ok, but teams all over the country play Freshman and Sophmores who are amazing. The youth argument for any team isn't nearly as valid as it used to be in football and basketball
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Yeah, USC had one guy. Florida may have had a couple. They're almost always skill players and I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that no one in the country gave playing time to 22 freshmen.
ND had major contributors on the offensive and defensive line, as well as two starting underclassman WRs, three underclassman RBs who got almost all the carries, and a true freshman QB. The OLB's were also underclassman. I'm not making excuses for anything beyond last year, but a lot of people think ND just wasn't good last year because Charlie Weis suddenly forgot how to coach. That's simply not the truth and this coming year ND will have just as much talent as any team in the nation. It's not as experienced as some of the other programs, but that was the hole we've been left in by the previous coach.
Even the experienced ND teams that Weis coached up in 2005 and 2006 had nowhere near the talent that he's brought in these now last three classes. Comparing Clausen and Quinn's freshmen numbers point unquestionably to the superiority of Clausen, will he fulfill that? Who really knows, but signs for ND are pointing towards becoming an elite program like they were in the late 80s and early 90s.
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To me it looks like USC recruited for need. They have a lot of talent from the previous two recruiting classes that are ready to step in this year. They filled holes with very good talent at the OL, and DL positions. They are loaded at RB, WR, and I believe they got a good TE.
As a CAL fan, I don't like it. But I just call it like I see it.
CAL's class is not up to par. UCLA, and USC did pretty well, and are the glamour places to be. One thing Tedford has done, is get good JUCO transfers. I can only hope that he has enough talent coming up to fill in some of the huge holes left by Hawkins, Jackson, DeCoud, and Jordin. Not to mention Forsett.
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Cal should be worried that UCLA is finally ready to rejoin USC at the top of the conference (as the two teams dominated the conference between 1970-2000). Neuhisal and Chow are looking poised to make UCLA a national power once again. This is going to spell trouble for Cal and Oregon who have been basing much of their recent success on improved recruiting in the talent rich SoCal area. If UCLA becomes relevant again, between USC and UCLA, it will be very difficult for Cal and Oregon to get top recruits from SoCal.
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You are right...
But Cal's recent success has a lot to do with Northern CA recruiting as well. Thay have been able to keep northern CA Valley and Bay Area recruits like Lavalle Hawkins, Worrell Williams, and Syd Quan Thompson.
They will have trouble now that UCLA seems to be on the rise, you are absolutely right about that.
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I voted for Bucky because there isn't an Aggie one. They're only doing 'dead' mascots, not live ones. 
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