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Master-FatBurt
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After seeing MASTERPRENN's American Football team Squad selector thread I though it may be an idea to discuss the best of the best from Real Football.
We have been tasked to get the best squad of the best players in the world from any era.
We have to get a squad of 25.
3 Goalkeepers
8 Defenders
8 Midfielder
6 Strikers/Forwards
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one player per post with a credible reason why you would pick them.
Players are to be discussed and dismissed within the thread. I will periodically update players into and out of the squad list as we go.
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Master-FatBurt
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I shall start us off with a GoalKeeper.
Peter Schmeichel Wiki Article
I consider Schmeichs to be one of the, if not THE greatest goalkeeper of modern times.
6ft4 tall and created one of the most imposing figures you could see between the sticks.
He throws were legendary and could be launched almost the length of the pitch with near pinpoint accuracy. Manchester United set up many goals purely down to his ability to get the ball up to the wingers or attackers before the opposition midfield had even started trotting back.
The IFFHS ranked Schmeichel as the seventh best keeper of the 20th century in 2000, and in 2001 Schmeichel won a public poll held by Reuters, when the majority of the 200,000 participants voted him as the best goalkeeper ever, ahead of Lev Yashin and Gordon Banks.
He won 22 major honours during his playing career including The European Champions League and the European Championship.
Player one for consideration is Peter Schmeichel
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11/17/06 8:59am
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I'd argue Neville Southall was just as good a keeper as Peter Schmeichel. He didn't have the fortune to be playing in a great team like Schmeichel, and never wanted to either (like Le Tissier, the contents of Fort Knox couldn't lure him away from his love).
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Master-FatBurt
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Neville Southall was a good keeper but he was no way in the same class as Schmeichel.
I agree that if the Everton team he was in had been slightly better his ability as a keeper could have gained them more silverware but he never almost singlehandedly won multiple games for Everton like Schmeicel did for Man Utd.
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Class and acheivement are different things. One does not necessarily equal the other. Le Tissier had class oozing out of him, he was as good a footballer as one is likely to see, but he never left Southampton.
Neville Southall played massive parts in keeping Everton in the top league for many seasons in the 1990's. He kept disaster at bay in the same way the Dane kept second place at bay for Manchester United. No, sorry, Neville Southall was every bit as good a keeper as Peter Schmeichel. If he had wanted to leave Everton he would've strolled into any team of the day, absolutely no question. Some players don't gain class by simply moving clubs, by moving to bigger clubs. Some players just have it. Southall and Schmeichel are two examples of that. Peter Schmeichel achieved more, sure, and that means he had a better career than Southall (1995 F.A Cup triumph aside!  ), but in terms of raw materials, he was no better a goalkeeper.
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khabarakh23
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11/19/06 9:41am
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Unable to comment on Southall as I can't remember much of him. Schmeichel was one of the greats. Not only a great shot stopper but fantastic distribution and defence organisation as well.
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Time for a new player?
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Hard to argue with Schmeichel, certainly head and shoulders above the pack in the 90s. Since we've got 3 keepers, I'd nominate
Sepp Maier Keeper for the 1974 WC champs Germany and three-time European Cup champs Bayern Munich
I believe there are two others who would probably top any all-time list, but I can#t remember their names, and Englishman and a Russian, both from the 60s.
EDIT: The Russian was Lev Yashin
EDIT2: I did a little more research, the following website gives all-time rankings, although by continent. For keepers, the top 5 are (note that Scheichel is only 7th, btw):
1. Lev Yashin Soviet Union
2. Dino Zoff Italia
3. Gordon Banks England
4. Ricardo Zamora España
5. Josef Maier Deutschland
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Master-FatBurt
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Date Posted:
11/21/06 12:53am
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Bring in any player you want as and when you want but you may only add one player per post so he can be discussed.
Yankee, official stats are great and I love seeing them but this isn't to be a statistical who's best, use them to support any arguement you want to make though.
I've never heard of Sepp Maier so I'll have to do some research.
Current goalies (of which we only need 3)
Schmeichel
Southall
Maier
Discuss, disect and discard crappy entries.
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Sorry MFB, hadn't seen the one layer at a time rule.
In any event, dump Southhall, he don't belong.
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I agree, he never really proved himself at a higher level.
He may have been a good goalie but his lack of appearances at the highest level counts against him here.
I'd look to chuck Gordon Banks in his place myself. That save against Pele (a save similar to one Schmeichel did against Romario) was just World class.
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Well then back to Maier:
4 Bundesliga titles with Bayern (back when it was still the dominent league in Europe)
3 consecutive European Cup titles.
4 World Cups: 1966 (backup), 1970, 1974 and 1978 (all as starter).
1 World Cup title (1974), plus 3rd place in 1970.
1972 European champion, runner-up in 1976.
Named Bundesliga player of the year 3 times (1975, 1977, 1978), pretty remarkable for a keeper.
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Reading his wiki report he should be in there purely from the duck hunting POV.
I couldn't believe Klinsmann chose Lehman over Kahn at the last World Cup and when you have Germany's greatest keeper on yoour staff you'd think he'd pay attention to his opinion.
Strong arguement for him to keep his place.
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Actually, the Klinsmann incident is where Maier fell from grace for me: he's a Bayern man through and through, and he was never going to accept anyone but Kahn as #1. As a Bayern-hater, I fully supported the decision. Kahn's performances in the past few years have bene far too inconsistent, Klinsmann needed to open the door to replacing him, and dumping Maier was a big first step.
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Im sorry but i would have to agree with Everton on this, Southall was every bit as good as Schmiechel, if not better, he just did not play in a team that was pushing for honours each and every year.
Throughout the time where Man Utd were winning silverware they had a great defence in front of him so when he did make good saves they were highlighted more. Southall played in a struggling side and as pointed out almost single handedly kept Everton in the top flight, the work he did was not highlighted as much because it was more frequent and to be honest expected from him. Also the fact that he never appeared on the big stage i.e. the World Cup doesnt help the situation as many around the world never saw him.
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Southall is no way in the same class as Schmeichel.
He was a good possibly great keeper but there is no way in the world he could ever be classed as world class like Schmeichel was.
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