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DarthSubZero Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 5/15/07 6:50pm Subject: The Boxing Discussion Thread - Date Edited: 12/28/08 6:18am (10 edits total) Edited By: Spike2002
	I am shocked by the lack of a boxing thread...so I, being the generous person I am, decided to make one. ---------------- Upcoming Fights Jermain Taylor vs Cory Spinks http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/2007/0519_taylor_spinks/news/announcement.html Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/2007/0609_cotto_judah/news/announcement.html Ricky Hatton vs Jose Luis Castillo Wladmir Klitschko vs Lamon Brewster Bernard Hopkins vs Winky Wright --------------------- Recent Fights Oscar De La Hoya L vs Floyd Mayweather Jr W by Split Decision -----signature----- "Want a guy disintergrated? Get me intergrated." -Dengar's Motto I am the cheese. I am the best character on the show. I am better than both the salami and the bologna combined.
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Eeth-my-Koth Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 5/16/07 6:52am Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	Boxing died a long time ago my friend. I love it so much but it breaks my heart to watch. Someone really needs to do something with the Heavyweight ranks. -----signature----- "You have to grow up sometime, but you don't have to quit being a perv." -a wise philosopher
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DarthIntegral Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 5/16/07 8:26am Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	I do honestly believe that without a captivating figure (or several, preferably) in the heavyweight division, boxing will never be popular again. It has taken a swan dive to the depths of niche sportsdom. I'd be shocked if it were more popular than swimming, gymnastics, or extreme sports. Which is a shame. Because Bernard Hopkins, over the last 10 years, rejuvenated my interest in boxing. He turned me into a boxing fan again. Well, actually, I just became a Hopkins fan. I never really took in boxing fully. I enjoyed The Contender series on TV, I follow fights. But I've never been willing to plunk down PPV money for a fight, and I don't get Showtime or HBO. There's a bunch of problems facing boxing right now. But the biggest one is finding a captivating heavyweight, and then finding him some rivals. -----signature----- Sey's big brother "God has spoken, and the rest is commentary, right?" Suffering from acute Clevelanditis
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DRHJ9 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 5/16/07 1:42pm Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread - Date Edited: 5/16/07 1:44pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DRHJ9
	The biggest problem with boxing has nothing to do with individuals. The biggest problem in boxing is that the sanctioning bodies make it virtually impossible for any one fighter to be recognized as the legitimate champion. These sanctioning bodies (WBA, IBF, WBC, WBO) penalize fighters for fighting against other beltholders. Another problem is the ranking system that is totally corrut. At one time a DEAD GUY!!!! moved up ion the WBA rankings!!! Boxing needs to dump the sanctioning bodies, and make one recognized belt as that being the champions. The best and most legitimate belt to date is The Ring Magazine belt that has a true set of criteria for determining champions. As for boxing being dead I disagree. Almost every night of the week fights can be found. FNF, WNF, ESPN Classic, Solo boxeo etc.. The problem is lack of network television fights. I love boxing, and hope the corruption of the governing bodies goes away. For real boxing fans, visit websites like Boxingtalk.com for up to the minute info on the fight game. There are many good fight to be seen and read about. -----signature----- " If you beat me.....I'm still the best"-Paul Newman," The Hustler" "I saw a guy lying there with an ankle holster. So I took the gun. Thought it might come in handy. And guess what? I SHOT A BEAR!"-Sawyer, "Lost"
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DarthSubZero Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 5/16/07 1:44pm Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	I don't think boxing is that bad...and there are other divisions in boxing as well. As a whole it is bad, but some divisions are quite the opposite. The Middleweight Division has Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, and Bernard Hopkins. The lightweights have Marco Antonio Barrera(or at least had), and Manny Pacquio. Fights with those name usually have big popularity...so dont say boxing is dead, for it's big fights are bigger than perhaps even the big 4(football, soccer, basketball, hockey.) Although a needed captivating fighter I agree on. So please, let us discuss what's going on in boxing than it's supposed "death", which is far from the truth. -----signature----- "Want a guy disintergrated? Get me intergrated." -Dengar's Motto I am the cheese. I am the best character on the show. I am better than both the salami and the bologna combined.
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DRHJ9 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 5/16/07 1:50pm Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread - Date Edited: 5/16/07 4:31pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Kyptastic
	Boxing will die, if the governing bodies continue with the corruption that is going on today. The rankings are crap , and fighters get penalized for not making mandatories against cream puffs. Can't use that acronym -----signature----- " If you beat me.....I'm still the best"-Paul Newman," The Hustler" "I saw a guy lying there with an ankle holster. So I took the gun. Thought it might come in handy. And guess what? I SHOT A BEAR!"-Sawyer, "Lost"
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DarthSubZero Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 5/16/07 1:57pm Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	I never thought of that. LOL Dead Guy moves up on rankings....that is pretty messed up. -----signature----- "Want a guy disintergrated? Get me intergrated." -Dengar's Motto I am the cheese. I am the best character on the show. I am better than both the salami and the bologna combined.
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Onoto Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 5/16/07 9:43pm Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	Boxing is great, and I love to watch old fights, but I think it's had its day in the sun, and now it'd going to fade. The best American athletes aren't going to go into such a dangerous sport. It's sad watching the old boxers hobble about and and its even worse to hear their slurred speech. Americans are going to pick baseball, basketball, and football (a violent sport that won't stand the test of time, but it'll outlast boxing), and Americans don't care about Russian, German, and British champions. Much of boxing's history has been spent making different ethnicities hate each other and support their own, so it's only natural that we're selfish that way. -----signature----- A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. ~Paul Erdos
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DRHJ9 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 5/17/07 8:31am Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	Onoto posted: Americans don't care about Russian, German, and British champions. That is because most European boxers show a reluctance to fight in the U.S. The Russian fighters are the exception. Wladamir and Vitali Klitchko are widely embraced by the U.S. boxing fans. Nicolai Valuev was watched, but he was not any good. Oleg Masgeav(Sp?) is another fighter embraced by U.S. fans, who recently won a belt. The problem is with European fighters that are protected and coddled in their home countries. Joe Calzaghe and Rickey Hatton come to mind. Hatton is at least making an attempt to stage fights in Vegas. I give him credit for taking a fight with some risk FINALLY with Castillo. Kostya Tzu was past his prime and had not fought in a year and a half, when Hatton beat him. Calzaghe is overrated and has not fought any stiff competition, not even the washed up American former champions. Roy Jones Jr. recently called him out, and got no response. Prince Naseem Hamed was exposed, but at least he fought all over and tried to fight the best out there. American fans embrace anyone willing to give their all for the sport, like Marco Antonio Barrera, Eric Morales, Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, The Klitchko's, and now I have to say, if he puts up a good fight Hatton. -----signature----- " If you beat me.....I'm still the best"-Paul Newman," The Hustler" "I saw a guy lying there with an ankle holster. So I took the gun. Thought it might come in handy. And guess what? I SHOT A BEAR!"-Sawyer, "Lost"
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DarthGreene Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/17/07 4:46pm Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	It's sad to see boxing doing so bad. However Mixed Martial Arts is taking over. -----signature----- "I find you lack of faith disturbing" "Young fool. Only now at the end do you understand." "I have been waiting for this moment for a long time my little green friend." "Much to learn, you still have" The more things change, the more they stay the same
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DarthSubZero Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 5/17/07 5:18pm Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	I think it's doing bad...just not dead. And on a public level, yeah MMA is taking over...but there are WAY more PPV buys on big prize fights than in UFC or etc. -----signature----- "Want a guy disintergrated? Get me intergrated." -Dengar's Motto I am the cheese. I am the best character on the show. I am better than both the salami and the bologna combined.
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 5/17/07 5:29pm Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	PPV is lucrative for the participants, but bad for boxing fandom in general. The sport also has a problem with oversite. Sometimes you are forced to fight a number one contender, otherwise you just fight when you want ahainst anyone you want. My favorite fight of all time is Hagler/Hearns...3 rounds of ass kicking. Next would be Hearns/Leonard II; I just thought the rematch was far better with the two seasoned pros going at it like fencers. I had Hearns win by two when I scored it. -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic-Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God-Michael Shermer I'm a sexy shoeless GOD OF WAR! #347 on SLG's List Of Sexy Men
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Spike2002 Title: Former FF-UK RSA and Arena Manager Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 5/18/07 10:52am Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	Finally. An official boxing thread Kudos to you for starting one, SubZero. In response to DRHJ9, I do have to point out that Calzaghe is after a fight with either Taylor (middle-weight champ) and/or Kessler (super-middleweight no. 2). Whether he gets those fights is still tbc at the moment, but pursuing both of those fighters is at least a sign he wants to fight decent opposition before he retires, and not nomarks like Manfredo. Hatton is also a good fighter, very tough. I've heard he's trying to negotiate with De La Hoya for a fight, but I'd rather see him go up against Mayweather, who is more in his weight range than De La Hoya. When it comes to Heavyweight boxing, the Klitchskos are going to dominate for some time once they get hold of the top 4 belts. And, contrary to what Frank Warren would like to think, no British Heavyweight is ever going to challenge them at the moment. (And I say that with a heavy heart as I'm an avid viewer of British boxing) -----signature----- "It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him." - Arthur C. Clarke I agree with halibut Master to Louis_Skywalker Proud Recipient of the Golden Elegos™
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DarthSubZero Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 5/18/07 1:21pm Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	But I think Hatton/De La Hoya would bring much more buys...although Mayweather does have a title, so maybe Hatto can go for him too...I'd buy either way. Taylor rejected Calzaghe, because the terms were that fight would take place in Europe, but an American ref would be offered. Taylor said it would cost $10 M for Cazalghe's camp. That's why Taylor gets Spinks and Cazalghe gets Jones Jr. -----signature----- "Want a guy disintergrated? Get me intergrated." -Dengar's Motto I am the cheese. I am the best character on the show. I am better than both the salami and the bologna combined.
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DarthSubZero Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 5/19/07 7:49pm Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread - Date Edited: 5/19/07 7:50pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthSubZero
	Sorry for Double posting. ------------------- FIGHT NIGHT: HBO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING Main Event Jermain Taylor(26-0) vs Cory Spinks(36-3) for Undisputed Middleweight Title Undercard Edison Miranda(28-1) vs Kelly Pavlik(30-0) -------------- I'm watching as we speak...HBO packages are awesome. DISCUSS! -----signature----- "Want a guy disintergrated? Get me intergrated." -Dengar's Motto I am the cheese. I am the best character on the show. I am better than both the salami and the bologna combined.
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VadersLaMent Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 5/20/07 5:17am Subject: RE: Winner and new Heavyweight Champion of the World....The Boxing Thread
	I'm having a look at the replay right now. If there is one thing that has always bugged me about non-heavyweights is the need that has been created to dehydrate and weigh in at say 160 pounds then the next day step on a scale and weigh over 170 pounds. -----signature----- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic-Arthur C. Clarke Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God-Michael Shermer I'm a sexy shoeless GOD OF WAR! #347 on SLG's List Of Sexy Men
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