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yankee8255 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/8 7:56am Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 French Open - Date Edited: 6/8 8:04am (1 edits total) Edited By: yankee8255
	rechedelphar posted: According to Bud Collins, Sampras's era was better than Federer's. I disagree. Laver is the only one who could have a say, he won 2 calender year grand slams (but 3 of 4 slams were on grass then). Also slams weren't the #1 most important thing back then, Laver really dominated his era as federer did back in the 05-07 time period. I disagree as well. I think alot of players, like Dokovic, Safin or Roddick, for example, might have had very good careers, with a few slams sprinkled among them, if it wasn't for Federer waiting for them every time. 20 freakin straight semis. that's just astounding. And back to my point about Federer mainly facing Nadal on clay -- imagine what the record would be if 10 of those 20 meetings had been on grass, or on surfaces like the US Open. -----signature----- "While a disappointment overall, the Jerry-George conversation is a repeat of a discussion from the first episode, as if to say, "We've run out of stuff to discuss, so let's call it a day."
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rechedelphar Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/8 8:08am Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 French Open
	That's true. The reason they don't meet as often on the surfaces is because Nadal isn't as accomplished on hard courts as Federer is on clay, so he does not make those finals. Federer has dominated this era. Roddick would have 3-4 slams without Federer, Safin would have a few more and Hewitt would also have more. The players that play in this era are very good but got unlucky to have Federer in their era. -----signature----- Clemson Football: 5-3, 3-2 ACC 49-3 win over Coastal Carolina ---------- West Bromwich: 28 points, 1st in league 5-0 rout of Watford
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yankee8255 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/8 11:50pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 French Open
	One final point: with all due respect to Agassi, Sampras never played anyone as good as Nadal. Agassi was as talented, but had no where near Nadal's mental toughness (one reason that Sampras owned Aggassi). Heck, if Nadal manages to win the US Open this year, he'll have completed the career slam as well. That's amazing. -----signature----- "While a disappointment overall, the Jerry-George conversation is a repeat of a discussion from the first episode, as if to say, "We've run out of stuff to discuss, so let's call it a day."
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Alf_Ramsey Registered: Jun '09	Date Posted: 6/10 2:27pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 French Open
	yankee8255 posted: Absolutely no asterisk. Federer's run of GS Finals alone is astounding, now with the career slam and tying Sampras's overall record. Sampras himself says so. Exactly. He puts himself in a position to win in almost every major. He can't be faulted for who he faced when he won. His line about no one being able to be in every final was lol, though.
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KnightWriter Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 6/13 6:15pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 French Open - Date Edited: 6/13 6:22pm (1 edits total) Edited By: KnightWriter
	yankee8255 posted: One final point: with all due respect to Agassi, Sampras never played anyone as good as Nadal. Agassi was as talented, but had no where near Nadal's mental toughness (one reason that Sampras owned Aggassi). Heck, if Nadal manages to win the US Open this year, he'll have completed the career slam as well. That's amazing. What? That's not so at all. Agassi was very mentally tough, with the second half of his career built on superior conditioning, outlasting opponents as much as anything else. That requires mental toughness. He also saw his career rebound twice, when he could have thrown in the towel either time. It takes some amount of toughness to play bush-league tournaments when you've already won three of the four Grand Slams, as Agassi had by 1996. Agassi was right there, and he won all four Grand Slams. It was Agassi Federer equaled, not Sampras, when it comes to the career Slam. It wasn't luck that made it that way, it was skill and work. I'm not so ready to declare Federer the best ever just yet. It was only a year ago that Nadal crushed Federer in Roland Garros like he was a junior league player, dispensing with Federer so easily that he barely celebrated at all, acting more like he'd just moved into the quarterfinals. When Federer defeats Nadal at Roland Garros, then I think I'll be more ready to declare Federer the best ever. As for now, Nadal is still in Roger's head. Rafael Nadal remains the only player alive today who can completely bend Federer to his will, making him look as overmatched as Federer usually makes others look. -----signature----- Opposing Scrooge Economics since 2009
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rechedelphar Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/13 6:21pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 French Open
	The hundreds of players that play in the challengers would not appreciate being caleed bush-league. So many people who fall even slightly in the rankings become less motivated and their play suffers because of it. Agassi dropped ver low and still came back strong. Not many could do that, if any. -----signature----- Clemson Football: 5-3, 3-2 ACC 49-3 win over Coastal Carolina ---------- West Bromwich: 28 points, 1st in league 5-0 rout of Watford
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rechedelphar Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/22 4:29pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 French Open
	heels1785 posted: James Blake got popped today in straight sets, first round exit is a little surprising considering he made the final at Queens a week ago. Murray beat him like a drum there, but I thought he was starting to become less of a hard court specialist. I agree, Roger should have a pretty easy run to the final, but if he gets Murray there, it could be a 5-setter. I am loosing respect rapidly for Blake. After his lost at the french he sais the French wasn't a priority for Americans because of Wimbledon. Now he loses at Wimbledon and he blames the ATP scheduling. -----signature----- Clemson Football: 5-3, 3-2 ACC 49-3 win over Coastal Carolina ---------- West Bromwich: 28 points, 1st in league 5-0 rout of Watford
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heels1785 Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 6/22 5:40pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 Wimbledon
	Yeah, I haven't followed him that closely, simply because I've never considered him a threat in the slams. He may make some noise at the US Open, that's traditionally where he has played best, but I agree with your assessment. I mean, guys like Sampras and Roddick, both Americans who never had any success on clay, never pulled this kind of gag..and they have a lot more to back up their record than James Blake. I watched some of Djokovic's match today, and was not impressed with him. His draw sets him up nicely, but he needs to step it up a little. Murray and Roddick go tomorrow, and probably the most competitive first round matchup sends Lleyton Hewitt (who beat a gimp Rafa at Queens) against Robby Ginepri. -----signature----- Bunsen Honeydew
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Obese_1_Ka-Blooey Registered: Jan '06	Date Posted: 6/24 1:06pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 Wimbledon
	Blake just doesn't have the game to match the other top players. He's past his prime (which at that point he underperformed as well) and can't compete with anybody above him. I'm quite surprised he's still ranked in the top 20, considering his three consecutive first round Grand Slam exits. -----signature----- San Francisco Giants: 81-70, 3rd NL West Tim Lincecum: 14-6, 2.47 ERA, 247 K California Football: 3-0, #6 AP/USA Jahvid Best: 53 ATT, 412 YD, 8 TD Roll on you Bears!
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rechedelphar Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/24 1:11pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 Wimbledon
	well most of his points come from the USA hard court season, so if he can't defend those soon than he will drop -----signature----- Clemson Football: 5-3, 3-2 ACC 49-3 win over Coastal Carolina ---------- West Bromwich: 28 points, 1st in league 5-0 rout of Watford
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Obese_1_Ka-Blooey Registered: Jan '06	Date Posted: 6/24 11:00pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 Wimbledon
	Anybody happen to see this scary moment in the Haas/Llodra match? I feel horrible for the ball girl. She didn't see it coming.. And of course I feel bad for Llodra too, although at first glance it didn't seem to be serious enough to warrant his retirement from the match. Oh, and what's this with the Odesnik match and possible betting ties? If Wayne had something to do with it, I'd be deeply disappointed. -----signature----- San Francisco Giants: 81-70, 3rd NL West Tim Lincecum: 14-6, 2.47 ERA, 247 K California Football: 3-0, #6 AP/USA Jahvid Best: 53 ATT, 412 YD, 8 TD Roll on you Bears!
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rechedelphar Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/25 7:22am Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 Wimbledon
	There has been a lot of talk lately about throwing matches. A lot of one-sided betting. Notably from Dani Koellerer of Austria and a handful of others (Argentines)who are known "fixers". I doubt Odesnik is one of them,I mean picking Melzer winning in straights is pretty reasonable. But the betting sites have been complaining that the ATP hasn't done anything about the so called match fixing. -----signature----- Clemson Football: 5-3, 3-2 ACC 49-3 win over Coastal Carolina ---------- West Bromwich: 28 points, 1st in league 5-0 rout of Watford
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rechedelphar Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/29 5:38pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 Wimbledon
	We are down to the quarterfinals. Roddick vs Hewitt Murray vs Ferrero Djokovic vs Haas Federer vs Karlovic -----signature----- Clemson Football: 5-3, 3-2 ACC 49-3 win over Coastal Carolina ---------- West Bromwich: 28 points, 1st in league 5-0 rout of Watford
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Rogue...Jedi Title: Comms and Arena Admin ready for basketball Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/29 6:00pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 Wimbledon
	I saw the highlights of Federer's last match... looked pretty exciting for a straight-sets win. -----signature----- The Arena's Favorite Baseball Player Tournament - Come vote! http://boards.theforce.net/the_arena/b10777/29864047/p1/ I approve of NYCitygurl's sig
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heels1785 Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 6/29 9:35pm Subject: The Official ATP Discussion Thread - now discussing 2009 Wimbledon
	On the women's side, I think a Williams final is almost a sure bet, but Safina did play a strong last two sets today to beat Mauresmo. Venus is playing at or near the peak of her game right now, and Ivanovic stood no chance today, injured or not. For my picks in the men's quarters, Hewitt will give Andy Roddick some real problems due to his sheer speed, but I see Roddick winning in 4, Hewitt will have trouble breaking him multiple times. Juan Carlos Ferrero, who made his name as a clay-courter, has beat down seeded player after seeded player, and I think he'll get Murray too. Andy looked outclassed and overpowered for much of today's match, and Ferrero is a monster hitter who may make quick work of Murray and his methodic, scrappy style. Haas could sneak up on Novak, who hasn't been tested yet, but I see Djokovic in 4, may drop the first set. Karlovic reminds me a lot of Richard Kraijeck, who beat Sampras in his glory days in 1996. Enormous serve, and that's about it--that sometimes is all it takes on grass. I like Federer in 5, but if Novak cuts down Haas easily in 3 and is well-rested, that could make for a very tough semifinal matchup for Roger. -----signature----- Bunsen Honeydew
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