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Darth McClain
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6/7 7:40pm
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DarthIntegral posted:
Very true. ESPN's crowing of Big Brown was eerily similar to their coronation of the Patriots this year and their coronation of USC as one of the all-time greats before their Rose Bowl against Texas.
They really should stop doing that. 
Eh, they can coronate the Pats anytime they want, as long as they loose. That's fine with me.
But, seriously, ESPN really should not be anywhere as close to as sensationalist as it is. I really do feel bad for Da' Tara. He seems to be getting left behind in all of this.
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s65horsey
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6/7 7:41pm
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s65horsey posted:
I disagree on the jockey thing as well. He was following orders to get Big Brown out of the confinement. He tossed his head until the jockey got him away from the rail where he was able to run in the clear. Many horses don't like to be boxed in like that. I don't think he quit on him from that. He still ran with the front runners after that and quit later.
I'll defer to your greater knowledge, but Big Brown was clearly resisting the plan they'd laid out. I think he might have been better off letting him run, as that fight was just wasting energy. The jockey was between a rock and a hard place, though, so I dunno. I just think Big Brown had the energy and the drive, but when it was denied he lost a lot of energy and a lot willpower uselessly.
The difference is that there was no where to go. The jockey couldn't let him run over the horse in front of him which if he'd not held him back that was what Big Brown was going to do. Horses do waste energy when they fight with the jockeys, but don't blame the jockey for that because he had to do what he did or it would've been worse. The horse was going to be frustrated for awhile if they'd stayed on the rail, or frustrated for a little bit and then in the clear which is the option the jockey picked. It was a bad post position for Big Brown, imo.
Also, I sort of agree with Inty. I can't believe the trainer said he was guaranteeing a victory. You don't do that in horse racing. You can say you are confident about your horse's chances, but don't guarantee a victory. That's bad luck and racing is a lot about luck.
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JMJacenSolo
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Dutrow forced to eat crow
That's probably the harshest column I've ever seen on ESPN.com, but I think its just about dead on.
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s65horsey
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6/7 8:59pm
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JMJacenSolo posted:
Dutrow forced to eat crow
That's probably the harshest column I've ever seen on ESPN.com, but I think its just about dead on.
I giggled while reading that column. My parents and I watched the race together and had noticed all the advertisements that aren't usually that visible. It'll be interesting to see if they go off quietly with their tail tucked between their legs or attempt to aim Big Brown at some of the races towards the end of the year like the Breeder's Cup Classic which is also fairly prestigious to win, and is only a mile and a fourth. (The horse that I like, Tiznow, won it back to back and that hasn't been done before or since, though Curlin has a good chance to do it this year since he won is last year and is doing awesome again this year.)
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Thumper09
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6/8 9:13am
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Darth McClain posted:
I was also disappointed that ABC completely ignored (well not quite, but pretty much) the actual winner. It's the Belmont, not the Big Brown show.
I totally agree with this. Now, I admit that I was already tired of all the Big Brown hype in the days between the Preakness and the Belmont, but what the network covered immediately after the race made me cringe. Da'Tara went wire-to-wire. In the Belmont of all races. Sure, the fractions weren't that fast, but he did it! But every single thing was focused on Big Brown losing. I turned off the TV when they were talking to the track vet about Big Brown while putting the carnations on Da'Tara.
Sorry for the venting, but that really ticked me off yesterday.
Anyway, congrats to Da'Tara on a great race. It'll be interesting to see if there will be a Big Brown/Curlin match race this year like has been speculated.
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Zaz
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6/8 12:15pm
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I have a sneaking suspicion that was a throw; in which case, Dutrow is laughing all the way to the bank.
The coverage was beyond annoying with human interest stories a la the Olympics.
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darth_gersh
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6/8 2:50pm
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I lost my colors. Great race. I also believe they were concentrating the coverage on the wrong horse. Thats TV and the fight for ratings, always looking past the obvious.
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s65horsey
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Zaz posted:
I have a sneaking suspicion that was a throw; in which case, Dutrow is laughing all the way to the bank.
The coverage was beyond annoying with human interest stories a la the Olympics.
I disagree on the throw. The horse had nothing and it was visible. Kent did everything to get him to go towards the end. If you watched after the race when ex-Jockey Jerry Bailey was commentating on it, he pinpointed exactly that.
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JMJacenSolo posted:
Dutrow forced to eat crow
That's probably the harshest column I've ever seen on ESPN.com, but I think its just about dead on.
QFT. It would be nice to have a Triple Crown winner again, but...Big Brown wasn't the one.
I agree that Da'Tara should have got more coverage. He ran an excellent race, and totally deserves his win!
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Now Big Browns trainer is blaming the jockey.
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I saw that. He's incapable of seeing that the horse had nothing and that he, as the trainer, screwed something up while prepping him for the race.
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Hank Greenberg on ESPN yesterday blamed Big Brown's inexperience in handling a race where he had dirt kicked on him, both literally and metaphorically, and I tend to believe that theory. If you always win, you don't know how to handle a loss. If you always dominate, you don't know how to handle tough competition.
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Agreed. I think the #1 post position is what lost him the race. He broke funny out of the gate too (sideways, not straight) and wasn't able to get to a place where he wasn't stuck behind horses and getting dirt kicked at him.
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I sort of got the feeling he was blaming the jockey from the beginning, because he kept commenting that "it wasn't the horses fault".
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6/10 3:09pm
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It was the jockey's fault the horse came in dead last. So if that is all he's saying, then he is correct. The jockey made a decision to save the horse and not have him expend effort to finish say 7th, 8th, or 9th. Kent definitely eased him up and he basically cantered across the finish line, having them come in dead last.
However, it was not the jockey's fault that he had to do that. The horse had nothing more to give, but perhaps because Kent did that the horse will be able to blow the competition away in the Travers Stakes in August.
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