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bearded_one75 Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 7/31/03 5:55am Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace?
	One little thing that's been bothering me about the whole world of the Matrix: [nitpick]I assume that there are numerous power units scattered all around earth in the Real World, connected by fibre-op networks or similar, because the atmosphere is too unstable for radio transmissions to get very far. So, how do the rebels transmit their signal into the Matrix? That radio signal has got to go through hundreds of meters, if not kilometers, of rock, metal and rebarred concrete (which is the one material guaranteed to screw up your reception). You'd need an incredibly powerful transmitter for that, which needs an incredibly powerful energy source that would be too small to cram into the Neb's hull, etc. And if they're broadcasting such a powerful (and presumably wide) signal, all the time, why don't the sentinels just trace the signal back to it's source straightaway?[/nitpick] Other than that, great movies so far. So Reloaded just dragged on a bit; Big Deal! Durwood, could you Free Your Mind for me a bit, and compare T2 and TMR for me please? -----signature----- A killing machine of the highest order. "Mr Vader, welcome back! We missed you."
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Durwood Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 7/31/03 7:14am Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace?
	Brutal? Maybe. Accurate? Absolutely! -----signature----- "[STAR WARS fans] all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I'm making the movies, so I should have it my way." -George Lucas
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qui-gon-kim Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/31/03 7:49am Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace? - Date Edited: 7/31/03 7:51am (1 edits total) Edited By: qui-gon-kim
	I mean not long before it we have Anakin's big confession scene, he's all guilt-ridden 'cos he's murdered loads of Tuskens, Padme is shocked. Then not long after they arrive on Geonosis, she tells him she doesn't want to start a war, next thing you know he's carving up Geonosians left and right before they've even fired a shot, he doesn't even bother with defensive moves first. And he's the invader! What happened to all the guilt about losing control? Hoards of hostile Geonosians are bearing down on them, Anakin was acting in self defense. In ROTJ, Luke also hacked and slashed Jabba's crew in the sail barge before they even fired a shot. Why not bring Luke to task for that?
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rgard32 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 7/31/03 9:00am Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace?
	WOW....all this MATRIX talk on a Star Wars board....i LOVE IT ....hehehe.. -----signature----- FREE YOUR MIND!! We already know the path of anakin ..NOW we just have to understand it!! Everything that has a beginning has an end. Watch Matrix Revolutions Trailer.. Its Sweet!!!
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jabba_the_nut Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 7/31/03 10:10am Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace? - Date Edited: 7/31/03 10:11am (1 edits total) Edited By: jabba_the_nut
	>One little thing that's been bothering me about the whole world of the Matrix:[...] I think this is one of those things where we can just say that it's scifi and we don't understand how their technology works. Personally, I wonder why they bothered to build a Matrix at all, if all the machines are after are the people's BTUs. Let them lay there and rot as vegetables, or lobotomize them; what difference would it make? (Uh, because then we wouldn't have a movie...) Oh, and to everyone: please don't impugn the Star Wars Holiday Special by comparing it to TMR. -----signature----- DON'T POST SPOILERS YOU KNUCKLEHEADS [Peter Jackson peaked with Dead Alive ]
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JenX Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/31/03 10:27am Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace?
	Durwood Brutal? Maybe. Accurate? Absolutely! Excellent. Jabba-Wocky hasn't come back and justified some of his more ludicrous assertions yet, so it's good to see someone else prepared to stand by them. So Durwood, since you think Jabba-Wocky's post was "absolutely" accurate, maybe you can tell me when TMR shows 90 of the 100 Agent Smiths just standing around on the roof shouting for the duration the Neo v Smiths fight. While you're at it, maybe you can produce the data which proves Jabba-Wocky's assertion that most people who thought they were fans of the Matrix series wouldn't call themselves that after seeing Reloaded. Now I realise that this would require more time and effort then it takes to type "Great post [insert name here]!", and I have read DrEvazan's NOTE TO ALL POSTERS on page 86 of this thread, but hope does triumph over experience sometimes Cometgreen >>>Firstly, Smith wasn't "killed". That was an inaccurate assumption on your part (although you are by no means the only one who assumed that). So the storytellers aren't guilt of bringing back a dead character.<<< Yeah, Smith exploding into millions of green bits obviously means he's still alive. Well, yeah, it does. Like I said, you assumed that it "killed" him. You were wrong I just don't think Reloaded is a movie to begin with; it's merely a setup for Revolutions. It has no beginning, middle, or end. The actual story doesn't kick in until the last twenty minutes. Before that, it's simply setting up the characters for the next installment. What is "the actual story"? Aren't there lots of different "stories" in TMR? One story deals with Neo's visions of Trinity's "death". This story kicks in at the start of the film and has a definite beginning, middle and end. What about the story of Zion and the upcoming attack? That is introduced at the beginning of the film, and is developed throughout. The fact that many of the stories might be brought to a resolution in Revolutions doesn't mean that TMR is just a set up for the next installment, anymore then TESB is "just a set up" for ROTJ or TTT is for ROTK. Why would the Agents need an upgrade, as their only fear should be that Neo's mind is free, so he can't be killed from inside the Matrix. A new brand of agent won't change that. In fact, if the agents were smart, they would distract Neo even more so that the Sentinels could kill his real body. Neo isn't the only rebel trying to free minds. The Agents might need upgrading to deal with all the other fighters running around the Matrix. The three upgraded Agents seem to have been sent to deal with the meeting of rebels, and as Trinity was able to temperarily take one of the old ones out, it makes sense that you would send better versions to such a meeting, so as to capture/kill as many of the higher ranking captains as you could. (Note that throughout TMR, the upgraded Agents agenda never seems to be directed against Neo; They appear surprised to see him at the start of the film, wondering whether they should proceed, and later on they attack Morpheus, Trinity and the Keymaker). -----signature----- Anakin and Padme sitting in a tree, C-H-O-K-I-N-G "I am altering the OT, pray I do not alter it any further" My inner child thinks the prequels suck.
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winter_chili Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 7/31/03 11:36am Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace?
	is there a single person in the universe who likes tmr and lotr and the pt? (besides me) -----signature----- The Mighty Blueonic One of the Neverending and Excruciatingly Painful Padawanship A-H-B-Y ~~! !~~ it is the duty of a patriot to defend his country from its goverment
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gezvader28 Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 7/31/03 4:03pm Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace?
	QGK- Hoards of hostile Geonosians are bearing down on them, Anakin was acting in self defense. In ROTJ, Luke also hacked and slashed Jabba's crew in the sail barge before they even fired a shot. Why not bring Luke to task for that? Luke had already been thrown into a Rancor pit, he was walked out over the Sarlacc,then Jabba sentenced him and his friends to death, Jabba's men were firing at him from the sail barge and the other skiff, I think it was safe for Luke to assume they meant to kill him! Anakin on the other hand was approached by a Geonosian and sliced him up before he knew who he was , none of them fired a shot or hit him before he killed one of them. He's the invader, he's been asked not to start a war, what does he do..? Even if he suspects the Geonosians of being up to no good he doesn't know if it's these geonosians. He doesn't even try defensive moves like a Force-push first, just slices 'em up. Cue another tearful confession... I don't know how you can seriously compare those 2 situations. g -----signature----- ROTJ 2007 edition : "Leia ... do you remember your mother? Your real mother? " "No."
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rgard32 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 7/31/03 4:47pm Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace?
	I do winter-Chili.. u can see my signature..that kinda says it all.. There are parts that i hate about the PT..(mainly the kiddie stuff) but overall i like star wars...i saw it in 77......BUT i also LOVE matrix..and LOTR series.....hell i love it all.... But like anyone here i could pick apart anyone of these movies...... -----signature----- FREE YOUR MIND!! We already know the path of anakin ..NOW we just have to understand it!! Everything that has a beginning has an end. Watch Matrix Revolutions Trailer.. Its Sweet!!!
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qui-gon-kim Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/31/03 7:50pm Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace? - Date Edited: 7/31/03 7:53pm (1 edits total) Edited By: qui-gon-kim
	Anakin on the other hand was approached by a Geonosian and sliced him up before he knew who he was That is totally false. A hoard of Geonosians are swarming towards Anakin and Padme, one of them brandishing a weapon and charging at them, intending to harm them, and Anakin slices him. Anakin is totally justified in his actions, as he doesn't actively persue the Geonosians and attack them. He's running away or standing his ground, and attacks them when they charge at him. What's he supposed to do, just stand there defenseless while they attack him?
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MeBeJedi Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 7/31/03 8:07pm Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace?
	Obi-wan did it in ANH. -----signature----- Yoda - "Do or do not, there is no essay." The Matrix - "There is no essay" O-OT on DVD - "Mr. Lucas... we are merely passing THROUGH history. This... this IS history." http://www.originaltrilogy.com Reality got in the way of the essay. Relax
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bearded_one75 Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 7/31/03 11:58pm Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace?
	I like them all as well, winter_chili, and all of the Terminator series! -----signature----- A killing machine of the highest order. "Mr Vader, welcome back! We missed you."
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openmind Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 8/1/03 1:25am Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace?
	That is totally false. A hoard of Geonosians are swarming towards Anakin and Padme, one of them brandishing a weapon and charging at them, intending to harm them, and Anakin slices him. Anakin is totally justified in his actions, as he doesn't actively persue the Geonosians and attack them. He's running away or standing his ground, and attacks them when they charge at him. What's he supposed to do, just stand there defenseless while they attack him? True Unless, we were supposed to shed a tear when a Genosian was crushed, or stabbed by the Acklay. :P -----signature----- Lucas pays off the most elaborate setup in film history. He succeeds so completely that anybody who doesn't just love movies but the movies will find reason for celebration—with or without Ewoks. "ROTS" rewards all of the exposition of I and II
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Leto II Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 8/1/03 10:18am Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace? - Date Edited: 8/1/03 10:22am (1 edits total) Edited By: Leto II
	(no message) -----signature----- "If there's one thing I hate, it's losing. If there's TWO things I hate, it's losing and getting cancer." - Kenny Powers
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Leto II Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 8/1/03 10:22am Subject: RE: So now the Matrix fans have their Phantom Menace?
	...And there was even a thread in the AOTC forum last summer entitled, "Nexu Dying Start You Crying?", or something like that... -----signature----- "If there's one thing I hate, it's losing. If there's TWO things I hate, it's losing and getting cancer." - Kenny Powers
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