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Billy_Dee_Binks Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 2/10/04 10:51am Subject: The CGI overuse discussion - Date Edited: 3/18/04 1:59pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Strilo
	I am really surprised how often this is being made a reason to bash TPM (and AOTC). I hope there isn´t another thread about this issue around. Here are a couple of reasons why I think this is nonsense: 1)It´s STAR WARS. These movies are special effects movies. CGI is a great tool to defy the look of the picture. SW is based around our heros who meet alien creatures, travel around in space from planet to planet, each scenery more fantastic with lots of weird element placed everywhere on the screen. 2) It´s still the events that are the important. The CGI is only there to make them work. I know lots of arguments will come in on that one. 3) This isn´t 1977. If George Lucas would have used a smaller number of CGI it would not be up to par. It would not amaze that much. Generally, it would be compareable to a normal Sci-Fi TV series. The competition is much stronger. You have to make it stand out. With CGI you get the more stunning image to please the fans. Not everyone (meaning the general movie goer) notices a good cinematography. Sadly. 4) Not everything you see in the movies is all computer generated. In fact lots of models were used for the movie. From the Droid Control Ship, over the Boontha Eve, to the city of Theed, or the core of Naboo. Lots of model landscapes mixed in with a portion of computer additions. 5) Other movies get praised for their "overuse" of CGI (cough LOTR cough) but I don´t want to make this another comparing LOTR to SW thread. 6) The CGI that was used for TPM opened up whole new possibilities for future films. Jar Jar and Watto, the podrace and the final battle between the droids and the Gungans for example. Criticise and discuss. Agree and disagree. -----signature----- I like all six Star Wars Episodes equally.
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Durwood Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 2/10/04 11:24am Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	Those who argue about "too much CGI" may as well argue that the original trilogy uses too many models and matte paintings. -----signature----- "[STAR WARS fans] all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I'm making the movies, so I should have it my way." -George Lucas
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Billy_Dee_Binks Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 2/10/04 11:32am Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	True. Sadly there are quite a number of people who complain about this factor in Ep 1. They even get supported by critics in every media. -----signature----- I like all six Star Wars Episodes equally.
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Jedi_Learner Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 2/10/04 11:42am Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	I cannot think of any argument against your post Durwood. I should of thought about it more.
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Darth-Seldon Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 2/10/04 11:42am Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	I have no problems with the CGI. I don't really understand why so many people dislike it. The buildings especially look so real. Naboo looks so great! I really enjoy the CGI. -----signature----- Isaac Asimov was an innovative genius All posters are equal but some posters are more equal than others. JOE BIDEN 2012
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Shelley Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 2/10/04 12:30pm Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	Isn't this thread redundant? -----signature----- A bona fide conservative exposes Ann Coulter as the liar, bigot, extremist, and hatemonger that she is: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001939.htm Protect America...impeach Bush.
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 2/10/04 12:36pm Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	In what way? -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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Bib Fortuna, Twi'lek Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 2/10/04 12:37pm Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	There's no such thing as "overuse" of CGI. CGI is a tool which is necessary to tell the story. There's nothing wrong with it. -----signature----- Delta 5 in the EUDF, armed with a canon cannon Comic Book Guy: Once again, my underwear has become tangled in a cow catcher. Homer: Unguarded breakfast, the sweetest taboo. Ralph: It tastes like burning! I have more posts than you.
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Billy_Dee_Binks Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 2/10/04 12:58pm Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	This topic is not redunt as there have been lots of critism about the prequels having a overuse of CGI. I too think that there is no overuse of CGI but lots of fans seem to think the opposite. That´s why I posted this topic to find out what reasons there are to bash it. Any bashers around? -----signature----- I like all six Star Wars Episodes equally.
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Shelley Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 2/10/04 1:09pm Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	In what way? There's already a thread titled: "plot and characters should come before special effects." There's also already a Basher's Sanctuary. -----signature----- A bona fide conservative exposes Ann Coulter as the liar, bigot, extremist, and hatemonger that she is: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001939.htm Protect America...impeach Bush.
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Billy_Dee_Binks Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 2/10/04 1:15pm Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	Hmmm. Then pleaselock or eventually merge it if it´s REALLY the only way. -----signature----- I like all six Star Wars Episodes equally.
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Strilo Title: Manager: • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 2/10/04 2:05pm Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion - Date Edited: 2/10/04 2:09pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Strilo
	This thread is not discussing the plot and characters. It is discussing the use or overuse of CGI in TPM along with misconceptions of the way effects were done and comparing TPM's effects use with other effects laden films that seem to be acceptable to people. Also the author is not bashing TPM he is defending it. Please leave the moderating to the moderators. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Most Played Scores: Fellowship of the Ring "Bilbo's Ring" ---------- They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
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Shelley Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 2/10/04 2:47pm Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion - Date Edited: 2/10/04 2:53pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Shelley
	Begging your pardons, strilo and Billy_Dee_Binks. I am sorry; I jumped to conclusions when I saw the title of this thread. -----signature----- A bona fide conservative exposes Ann Coulter as the liar, bigot, extremist, and hatemonger that she is: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001939.htm Protect America...impeach Bush.
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Darth-Stryphe Title: Former Mod and City Rep Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 2/10/04 5:11pm Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion - Date Edited: 2/10/04 5:12pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Stryphe
	And remember, just because a thread invites discerning opinion about TPM doesn't make it a basher-trollfest that should be driven from the boards. Discussion topics are a legimate part of the forum and this fits perfectly. Now, to topic: I don't have a problem with the amount of CGI in the PT. Some of the styles bother me (a couple of examples: JJB made to look like a cartoon character during the final battle and the flat 2D look of much of the final battle in AOTC). Also, I do wonder if the overuse of blue screen scenes hurt the performance of the actors. I guess will never know for sure. -----signature----- Lord of the Script, it's FABULOUSO: http://boards.theforce.net/Star_Wars_Community/b10012/8237772/p1 The Desperate Road: http://boards.theforce.net/your_jedi_council_community/b10008/23481819/p1 I love you, lonely Dewback on the ridge Az Isten áldjon meg!
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Shelley Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 2/10/04 5:32pm Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	You're right, Stryphe. puts on mask of shame I don't have a problem with CGI unless it looks bad. And with rare exceptions, the CGI in the prequels is top notch. I truly cannot tell what is CGI and what is a practical effect in many cases. I'm sure it must be hard acting with bluescreen, but IMO an actor should rise to the challenge. -----signature----- A bona fide conservative exposes Ann Coulter as the liar, bigot, extremist, and hatemonger that she is: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001939.htm Protect America...impeach Bush.
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Darth-Stryphe Title: Former Mod and City Rep Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 2/10/04 5:49pm Subject: RE: The CGI overuse discussion
	You're right, Stryphe. puts on mask of shame Pats Shelley on back It's OK. You're right, the PT CGI is mostly top notch. However, CGi has a degree of an "unreal" look to it, and as such, I think that when sets and life-like masks can be used, they should. Compair many of the interior Naboo palace shots which were real (and very cool) to, say, the arena in AOTC. Nothing beats reality. One day that will change. A good deal of progress has been made in the last ten years of CGI. -----signature----- Lord of the Script, it's FABULOUSO: http://boards.theforce.net/Star_Wars_Community/b10012/8237772/p1 The Desperate Road: http://boards.theforce.net/your_jedi_council_community/b10008/23481819/p1 I love you, lonely Dewback on the ridge Az Isten áldjon meg!
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