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Sith_Sensei__Prime
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12/8/04 3:45pm
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RE: TPM is "winning" IMDB's Worst Star Wars Film survey. WHY?
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So...
...what?
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Darth_Mimic
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So the midichlorians show that the individual has a bond with the Force, not that they cause it. I mean, Qui Gonn's little speech to Anni about them sounds alot like the oversimplified science lessons you see in elementary schools.
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Sith_Sensei__Prime
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So what's the significance of the blood test?
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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12/8/04 5:37pm
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To differentiate between people who have a higher natural ability than others.
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Sith_Sensei__Prime
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If it's so natural, why do they need permission to be trained?
However, I do see your point why the Jedi discrimate against those that don't have the goods. So much for the notion of lumious beings are we... not this crude matter. 
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It's not permission to be trained, although I'm sure they ask permission before they take children to the Temple. They take people who have some ability to access the Force. It doesn't make sense to try and train non-Force Jedi.
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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12/8/04 6:32pm
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The Jedi noticed that most of the really Force Sensitive people have a high midichlorian count.
After they came up with the dogma that they were to shun their personal attatchments and related feelings, they decided it would be better to train Jedi as soon after birth as possible, so they could be trained to control their emotions before they are able to form attatchments.
They use the midi count to see who has more natural ability, and then train them as Jedi hopefuls.
There is a certain point where some of these Jedi hopefuls will have taken too long to be taken on as a Padawan by a Jedi Master, and if that happens, their shot at being a Jedi is eventually revoked.
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Sith_Sensei__Prime
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It's not permission to be trained, although I'm sure they ask permission before they take children to the Temple. They take people who have some ability to access the Force. It doesn't make sense to try and train non-Force Jedi.
Interesting. I thought Qui Gon asked permission from the Jedi Council to train the boy, but was denied to do so. Additionally, I thought the Council change their mind and gave Kenobi persmission to train the boy by films end. Perhaps a rewatch is in order for me.
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The Jedi noticed that most of the really Force Sensitive people have a high midichlorian count.
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They use the midi count to see who has more natural ability, and then train them as Jedi hopefuls.
There is a certain point where some of these Jedi hopefuls will have taken too long to be taken on as a Padawan by a Jedi Master, and if that happens, their shot at being a Jedi is eventually revoked.
Thanks for explaining why the Jedi use blood tests and midichlorian count to dismiss those that don't have the genetic goods as they do and noting that size does matter. So much for, "Judge me by my size, do you?." With midichlorians we now can (pre)judge.
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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12/8/04 8:37pm
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A Midi count has no bearing on size. It's a ratio, not a total count.
In the classic trilogy we could only pre judge based on lineage as far as we knew.
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Strilo
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12/8/04 8:45pm
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We do have a thread for midichlorian discussion. Let's keep this on topic of the survey ok?
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Zar_Valen
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12/8/04 9:54pm
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Errr......GL isn't a racist and that accusion is pretty silly.
Made up by the same people who said Jango and Boba where racist because they were hispanics......right. LOL! They're from NEW ZEALAND and Jango isn't really evil either, same goes for Boba.
The characters in TPM aren't steriotypes, they are archtypes.
At no point did I say George Lucas was a rascist or using stereotypes. I only brought up the JarJar point because I know that there were certain interest groups that were batting that bit around at the time of the film and I was trying to draw a clear line between that and the point I was making. I guess I wasn't clear enough.
The Trade Federation aliens DO sound asian. Watto DOES sound Mexican or Italian or maybe a mix. I would challenge you to that they didn't. The JarJar matter I think hinges on maybe a word or two that I can see how it was blown out of proportion but I don't agree that it is true or correct at all. The point is that I don't think that GL was making stereotypes. I can't even really make a comparision on how he did or didn't. I do think he used certain ethnicities to portray these aliens linguistically and I think that was a bad choice because it DOES open the door to people making further comparisions and leaps in logic to say he was using stereotyping in his characters.
I don't remember any other Star Wars languages or accents sounding like those on other 'real world' cultures and I don't understand why they were used here. This is why I thought it was awkward and distracting and a point on which I feel weakened the movie.
The Midichlorian concept wasn't in the OT and I understood the Jedi concept fine and that's why I think it's a non-essential element now. I did make a post on the midi-thread that goes more in depth on why I dislike this part of the movie anyone is interested. 
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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12/8/04 11:01pm
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Everyone in the Star Wars saga sounds like different kinds of people.
The Empire is run by people with british accents, while the rebels have a more American flavor.
They have to sound like someone speaking our language, or we won't undertsand it, the accents add variety, and should not be inerpereted as a commentary any any race in particular. At the end of the day these people aren't speaking "English", they call it "Basic". Nute Gunray and Nute Hakko are "Nimodians", Watto is a "Toydarian", Jar-Jar is a "Gungan", and so on and so forth.
According to Lucas he always thought of the Niemodians as sounding Transylvanian, not even real Transylvanian, but that movie version of it from Dracula films.
At the end of the day, these characters are portraying individuals, not entire races of people.
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Zar_Valen
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I should have said the alien languages. The human accents are obvious because, well, those are really their accents. But the imaginary alien languages in the past (all of those presented in the OT) did not seem to be influenced by earth dialects. Chewbacca's Wookiee language is grunts, growls, and distinct. Ewoks make chirps and howls and are hard to mistake for anything else. Jabba sounds very unique. Bib Fortuna sounds very unique. Yoda sounds, eh, like Grover. But at no time did they remind me of real world counterparts. So when there are at least two alien languages in Phantom Menace that seem to me to be heavily influenced by those encountered regularly in everyday life, it is distracting. When I hear Nimodians, I just want to think "Nimodians", not "weird alien Japanese".
If George says he was going for Bela Lugosi then I guess that's what he was going for, but is he sure he didn't grow up watching the Japanese translation of Dracula? 
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Both Hutteese and the Ewoks were taken from real dialects from here on Earth.
Nien Numb (Lando's co pilot at the batte of Endor) was speaking some kind of African dialect. When the movie played there, a lot of people got exited to hear their own language being used correctly.
The Niemodians sound Transylvanian to me.
At the end of the day it has to be language we are fammiliar with from here on Earth.
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The Neimoidians totally sound Asian to me... but I don't care. I like em the way they are.
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